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Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

yoz-y wrote: post #321
SomeOldThrow wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> offering people what they actually want was not a mistake. You can’t read customer preference from the market when they stopped offering choice in this regard. I bought a large phone because that’s the choice they offered and fucking hate it.

I think they do have pretty good numbers because the iPhone 5S was still sold even after the 6 was out. So, when the 6S came out they could compare how well the 1 year old 6 fared against a then one year old 5S. Also they did make the SE. I am pretty sure Apple knows what is most money making strategy. This being said, they do offer (or will soon) a Mac Pro which clearly is not there to make big bucks. They could (an…

My fear is that what makes apple money is inherently an expensive, shitty phone for everyone. They are incentivized to keep us purchasing high dollar products, not to make quality products.

The software has me over a barrel. I would dump Apple hardware in a heartbeat if I could get it running on a phone built for reliability. I’d stop complaining about the hardware so much if they allowed independent app stores with better curation. Together makes me look for alternatives (which also suck mostly for software reasons).

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by cbhl »

macintux wrote: post #266
cbhl wrote: post #225

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The X, XS, XR, and now 11 don't have a home button. They all rely on Face ID to unlock.

They still have the “reachability” feature, however. It’s a gesture (that I never use intentionally, but I think it’s a swipe down at the bottom of the screen).

Today I learned it's still available on those devices -- apparently it's hidden behind an option in Settings > General > Accessibility and off by default.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by bikezen »

flyinglizard wrote: post #36
temuze wrote: post #9

Mostly, I hope they bring TouchID back, preferably via a scanner on the back of the phone. Outside of providing a bigger screen, FaceID is strictly worse: - When I pulled my old iPhone out of my pocket, I would have my finger on the scanner and it would be unlocked before it reached my face. With FaceID on the iPhone X, I have to wait a few seconds. - If you wake up and you're squinting as you look at your phone, Fac…

But if you're in a pool with your family and want to take a photo, TouchID isn't going to work. And if you've been running and sweating and want to unlock your phone, many times it won't work. And if you're riding your bike in the woods and want to unlock it - right, gloves...

Maybe you're doing those activities extremely often, but for me they're edge cases vs the amount of times FaceID doesnt work for me when I'm simply wearing sunglasses, or a hat, or just in odd lighting.

I have both a work issued iPhone, and a personal pixel with a fingerprint unlock. I cannot recall any time I had issues with the pixel over the last month, while I'm extremely annoyed just thinking of how many times FaceID either took multiple seconds or didnt work at all.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by stjohnswarts »

I think most people who like the SE have small hands, and I don't know why apple would dismiss that market. I have finger sausages so I appreciate the bigger screen and keyboard. I think apple thinks in terms of sheer profit and don't care about people with small hands and small pockets. Little do they know the small hands will pay a premium as well to have an Apple so even that doesn't really make any sense except to bean counters in cubes.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by stjohnswarts »

tfha wrote: post #236
perl4ever wrote: post #228

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"I'm a 6'5" man with large hands who still swears by an SE" It appears that the SE is 4 inches and the 6S is 4.7. I have a Pixel 3 non-XL and it is 5.5 which seems fine to me. But the Pixel 3 XL at 6.2 was going too far. Anyway, a real Apple SE[1] has a screen which is a little over 8 inches... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_SE

I have a pixel, it's 5 inches and it feels absolutely enormous compared to the SE. I don't like it at all and yet it's classified as "small" today. Not a fan at all, it's just too big for me. I'm 6'1"

I find 5-5.25" as optimal for myself. I don't like the 6" phones (and bigger)

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by stjohnswarts »

vadansky wrote: post #125
dijit wrote: post #40

Every year I wait on bated breath at the release of a similarly compact phone to the SE. I even recently bought a new one right before they removed them from the store, so I have 2 year apple care+ for it to tide me over. Ordinarily I would vote with my wallet, but there are no compact Android phones either. Ironically I still own a Oneplus One which is quite old by todays standards; and I distinctly remember it bein…

I keep having to ask this every thread, but you know you can double tap the home button and it will bring the screen half way down so you can reach easier. I have no problem using my 8 one handed, and can even use it one handed while biking

Using a phone in hand while biking seems to be a horrible idea unless you're riding on an unpopulated salt flats or something...

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by jzl »

sobani wrote: post #319
jzl wrote: post #300

Macrumors just reported the other day that there may in fact be an SE 2 or equivalent coming in the spring: https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/04/apple-to-launch-low-cos...

If I understand that article correctly, given the rumored size, it will be more like a budget iPhone 8, than a new SE.

Not sure I understand what you mean by that. The rumored size is 4.7 inches, like the SE. The SE has basically the same innards as the 6s, so this seems like an upgrade to the innards of the 8.

Maybe we're saying the same thing? An SE with the innards of the 8 and hopefully a more edge-to-edge screen and possibly even FaceID would be warmly welcomed by current SE owners, I think.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by nomel »

jeffkeen wrote: post #167

Seriously. This giant phone trend is nonsense. Nonsense! I'm a 6'5" man with large hands who still swears by an SE, despite being mocked by friends and strangers whenever I pull out my "tiny phone". I had a 6S and promptly ditched it for an SE after feeling like the thing was designed to slip out of my enormous hands. That whole "reachability" feature they added when they started with this phablet obsession was basic…

I bought a pop socket and never looked back. I’m fine with large phones now, this one being my first. It was entirely unusable out of box.

Re: Bring Back the SE

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Post by wyclif »

RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u wrote: post #62
dijit wrote: post #40

Every year I wait on bated breath at the release of a similarly compact phone to the SE. I even recently bought a new one right before they removed them from the store, so I have 2 year apple care+ for it to tide me over. Ordinarily I would vote with my wallet, but there are no compact Android phones either. Ironically I still own a Oneplus One which is quite old by todays standards; and I distinctly remember it bein…

> (also, I wonder how women get on, since generally they have smaller hands than men.) PopSockets. In my neck of the woods they are almost as common as phone cases. Some men also use them.

PopSocket Rings are huge in SE Asia. My theory on why is because so many women ride tandem on a motorbike and scroll through their phone while riding as a passenger. I see it all the time here in the Philippines.
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