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They have a reason to make that article: there is a lot of companies fooling the Brazilian people over this. I'm a Brazilian software developer for the financial market. I also made some financial courses on the same university that the authors. Brazilian stock exchange market has exploded in the last years and most of my friends decided to 'work' as traders. None of them with prior knowledge or experience in the mar…

> One interesting thing: they normally sell the course with a private platform to trade the stocks included. I believe that they use that platform to collect data and operate against the traders that use that platform. They know the strategy that they are going to use (because they teach them), so it is easy to operate against. You’re assuming a complex strategy is needed when a simple one can easily suffice: simply…

A business using this approach is called a Bucket Shop - it's both fairly well-known and explicitly illegal in most places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop_(stock_market)

Re: Day Trading for a Living?

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If you take Jan 1, 2013 to Dec 31st, 2015, the Brazillian stock market did very, very poorly. That probably explains why it was nearly impossible since most traders are probably long, not short the market. So even taking 1 day positions in stocks, still on average over 3 years will experience signifigant downward price pressure. That said, the fact that the market is bad, is just randomness and shows one of the major…

> Its probably the hardest way to make money in the world

Just no. Certainly it's not easy. But the hardest? I'd say there is a long list of occupations which most people would consider harder on various dimensions.

Re: Day Trading for a Living?

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I know people who made millions day trading commodities, for no one in that cohort to have made any real money over two years is surprising to the point of disbelief. This may be something particular to the Brazilian exchange.

I’ve noticed a lot of successful traders trade commodities versus equities. What makes commodities easier to trade? Ed Seykota has been doing it for decades: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Seykota

No inside information on commodities.

(However trading on embargoed government press releases is illegal. Though rather than kidnapping Clarence Beeks on the train, you can just interview the Florida farmers yourself.)

Re: Day Trading for a Living?

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post #144

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> One interesting thing: they normally sell the course with a private platform to trade the stocks included. I believe that they use that platform to collect data and operate against the traders that use that platform. They know the strategy that they are going to use (because they teach them), so it is easy to operate against. You’re assuming a complex strategy is needed when a simple one can easily suffice: simply…

A business using this approach is called a Bucket Shop - it's both fairly well-known and explicitly illegal in most places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop_(stock_market)

Interesting, thanks for the link. I wish there were some comprehensive list or taxonomy on these kinds of scams.

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post #144

They have a reason to make that article: there is a lot of companies fooling the Brazilian people over this. I'm a Brazilian software developer for the financial market. I also made some financial courses on the same university that the authors. Brazilian stock exchange market has exploded in the last years and most of my friends decided to 'work' as traders. None of them with prior knowledge or experience in the mar…

> One interesting thing: they normally sell the course with a private platform to trade the stocks included. I believe that they use that platform to collect data and operate against the traders that use that platform. They know the strategy that they are going to use (because they teach them), so it is easy to operate against. You’re assuming a complex strategy is needed when a simple one can easily suffice: simply…

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-178

Re: Day Trading for a Living?

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Their title should really say "now" at the end. It was definitely possible before. I know people who did it, and they weren't just bragging about fake gains. I saw the accounts. I saw the rigs. And I saw them go from one small house to a bunch of rental houses and a big mansion using day trading profits.

And they all retired before 2008.

Re: Day Trading for a Living?

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Where is $20,000 ‘livable’? Savings or not, I don’t know of many places where you could live on a net income of ~$1,300/mo. what do you do for medical benefits alone in that income bracket?

Upper Michigan: If you have $20,000 you get MI Health plan, essentially free healthcare in the poor income bracket (for now anyway unless it gets taken away, sign up where you get food stamps). Rent on a 2 bedroom apartment, as long as you are not in the "big" city of Marquette should be $400-$500. Heck when I was younger we 'rented' an entire 5 bedroom house, two story with basement for $950 (split 4 ways with roomm…

Again - if you've got the talents to make $20k/yr day trading, you can do much better working remotely at far less risk. So higher sharpe ratio.

Also the UP is pretty much miserable.

Re: Day Trading for a Living?

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My firm uses a similar system that hedges long and short baskets and can confirm that hedging is really the only way to swing trade profitably in the long term.

I do well with options trading for a fairly long time now. Anything over 25% a year is good for me but I aim for 100% per year. I am a hit over that this year at this point. Firms have a huge amount of money so they have to use other strategies. For someone with less than $1M to trade with going long or short depending on the market conditions is adequate. Also money management is a large factor.

I assume you trading US markets? The US markets have been very volatile the last 1.5 years which makes for more optimal swing trading. If the market was either going down or up in a linear line, most hedge funds underperform in that scenario.
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