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This made me realize I have heard ZERO news on Assange after his arrest, and the likelihood of him being tortured and rendered and railroaded of course means our nation (US) of laws and rights is a sham. Don't tell me it's boring, this should be a sideshow for the media like OJ. Rape trial? Russian meddling? Little guy vs the government? International intrigue? Crickets. A truly independent media would be tracking hi…

He is sitting his 50 week sentence in HM Prison Belmarsh in UK and has access to lawyers. Media is tracking his case. There is nothing to report. There are people who spew up conspiracy theories on the spot when they have not heard anything, from pure ignorance, yet they speak ill of mainstream media.

Hes also sitting in the medical ward due to multiple issues, including mental issues. I dont think the news wants to report on his declining health.

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I think the administration badly, badly mishandled Snowden and Assange, and allowed Russia to coopt them by isolating and threatening them. If they had treated them as whistleblowers and journalists (even if they had nefarious motivations), they could have kept them in "the west" instead of driving them into the arms of Russia. I don't believe that Assange was a Russian agent at the beginning but he was surely one by…

This sounds awfully similar how Western governments singled out the so called communists. If you don't support war and actively protest against in the Middle East does not make you an agent for isis or Muslim brotherhood.

If he was an agent the Muller investigation would have revealed it. It doesn't say so in the paper that is public, I actually read the whole thing.

You're an agent if you get orders from Kremlin, people's interests align often with different people, hence the world and politics is complicated.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Indeed and cheap enough to throw away after each project for improved opsec.

Given that you can change the MAC address, how does throwing it away improve opsec...?

It seems good practice not to assume there are no other ways to id/fingerprint a device then by mac address..

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To the contrary, I think the fact that you think both Snowden and Assange are Russian agents demonstrates that the administrations response was actually quite effective.

I was going to say exactly this. It's amazing how many Americans honestly think it's clear that Snowden is a "bad guy" because he's close to the Russians. Likewise Assange was pushed into a position that made him very unlikable to the US center-left (he could have probably played his hand a bit better). So mainstream American's are distrustful of both and pretty much everyone hates Assange.

If you examine what Ed Snowden leaked, it’s clear he was trying to do significant damage to the NSA. Much or most of what he stole and was leaked was unrelated to domestic surveillance. Much of it revealed our overseas activity. It’s difficult to see how any of it was to the benefit of Western interests.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the contrary, I think the fact that you think both Snowden and Assange are Russian agents demonstrates that the administrations response was actually quite effective.

I was going to say exactly this. It's amazing how many Americans honestly think it's clear that Snowden is a "bad guy" because he's close to the Russians. Likewise Assange was pushed into a position that made him very unlikable to the US center-left (he could have probably played his hand a bit better). So mainstream American's are distrustful of both and pretty much everyone hates Assange.

I love that Trump's DoJ hounding Assange into British custody and unsealing a huge indictment against him has done nothing to shake many Democrats' faith that Assange is some kind of Trump/Putin stooge.

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Anyone have a link to steal and read the book for free? I don’t support his cause but wouldn’t mind reading the book. Yes I’m admitting to intent to pirating Ed Snowden’s book. It’s not like I’d be stealing sensitive military secrets and selling them to Omidyar for a pledge up to $250MM. How many Russian speaking people were in his orbit in Hawaii from 2011-2013? How many of them had the operational capacity to pull off a conspiracy to guide Ed to Mother Russia undetected?

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I think the administration badly, badly mishandled Snowden and Assange, and allowed Russia to coopt them by isolating and threatening them. If they had treated them as whistleblowers and journalists (even if they had nefarious motivations), they could have kept them in "the west" instead of driving them into the arms of Russia. I don't believe that Assange was a Russian agent at the beginning but he was surely one by…

Yeah it would have been an opportunity for Obama to shine but alas he didn't. Just the mediocre, status quo President that we elected. In retrospect, I'll take him any time over our current Mango Mussolini.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the contrary, I think the fact that you think both Snowden and Assange are Russian agents demonstrates that the administrations response was actually quite effective.

I was going to say exactly this. It's amazing how many Americans honestly think it's clear that Snowden is a "bad guy" because he's close to the Russians. Likewise Assange was pushed into a position that made him very unlikable to the US center-left (he could have probably played his hand a bit better). So mainstream American's are distrustful of both and pretty much everyone hates Assange.

There are lots of us who aren't though. The Russians gave him safe haven and I'm guessing it was the only big country at the time that would do so and challenge US hegemony. As much as I hate them for hacking and influencing our elections I recognize Snowden's decision made logical sense. Any smaller country would have rolled over and turned him over to the US.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

#189
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US expatriates are the only expats in the world that have to file annual taxes (and report foreign bank accounts). It's ridiculous for most of us (99% are not tax exiles or tax evaders, we just left the USA for our own reasons). I wonder if Snowden files taxes?

Don't even get me started.... In many countries it's hard or near impossible for US citizens to get bank accounts and other financial services, I guess due to them not wanting to deal with reporting requirements? Europeans, Aussies, and pretty much everyone have it way easier. Makes me so mad.

Ha. My ancient mother, who is English, was conducting some mundane transaction in an English bank the other day when the teller asked her "You're not American are you?". She was so surprised she didn't know what to say.

AIUI, it's not just reporting requirements but the potential for massive fines that's driving this.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

#190
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It costs over a grand to quit the club known as "citizenship" you're going to want citizenship in wherever you reside first when you give up US citizenship (you could choose to be stateless, but that makes more problems than it solves). Doing this does not absolve you of existing debts in the eyes of the IRS. And finally, you'll be interviewed at the consulate and if your stated reason for giving up citizenship is "t…

Apparently, you can run for any government office in a foreign state and it immediately nullifies your US citizenship. I have only heard this as rumour, and I don't have time to confirm / deny this, but it may be worth looking into.

I've heard of this too. This talks a bit more about it https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... and also https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... that mentions more different ways.

For some cases it sounds like only if you have the intention of giving up your citizenship, then you have to get a "Certificate of Loss of Nationality". But I'm not a expert in this area, but I can see where this idea is coming from.

  Such employment, however, will result in one's 
  expatriation only if done voluntarily with the intention 
  of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. Running for foreign 
  office, even foreign head of state, is not a potentially 
  expatriating act; only accepting, serving in, or 
  performing the duties of a foreign office are potentially 
  expatriating as described above.
  
  The Department has adopted an administrative presumption 
  that U.S. nationals intend to retain their U.S. 
  citizenship when they naturalize as nationals of a 
  foreign state, declare their allegiance to a foreign 
  state, or accept non-policy level employment with a 
  foreign government.
Also:

  The presumption that a person intends to retain U.S. nationality is not applicable when the individual:

  1. formally renounces U.S. nationality before a consular officer;
  2. serves as an officer in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities with the United States; or
  3. takes a policy level position in a foreign state
  Cases in categories 2 and 3 will be developed carefully by a U.S. consular officer to ascertain the individual's intent toward U.S. nationality.


Kinda confusing, but sounds like if you were elected prime minister of Canada (which would be policy level), then there's the presumption you wanted to give up citizenship, while working as a employee for the Canadian government such as driving the snow plows would be ok but things are reviewed by case by case.
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