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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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For me personally, working there was a perpetual moral internal debate. I was good at convincing people that were on the edge of buying. On one hand, the more you sell, the higher the commission you get, for you and the whole team. On the other hand, you have to sell tech that is one of the best, but for the time being, totally overpriced. Therefore, you have to manipulate a lot, and tell half-truths if not blatant l…

oh bad deal for the 40yo man then.. I applaud your approach to sales, very empathetic. Are you still working there ?

Thank you. But any person with morals would do the same. No, I worked there for a few months. After a while they reached out to get me back there, but I declined.

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"This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window" for some people, a dinner out costs $2k. that is why you should never judge your clients. same thing for the other gentleman. you don't know their stories, or their backgrounds.

I knew/know this person personally. We all knew him because he was an habitual client. He is working as a professor in high school. So the probability of him being so wealthy to change one iPhone per week are not that high. That said, even if he is, do you think that his behavior would be consider sane? His story is just to point out how the sense of worthlessness in some people is financially exploited by prestigiou…

> That said, even if he is, do you think that his behavior would be consider sane?

I think your prejudices see him as some sort of insane man. When, as I've written above, there are people who spend a lot of cash indiscriminately. Not all of us have to be financially careful.

> His story is just to point out how the sense of worthlessness in some people is financially exploited by prestigious brand like Apple.

Apple did not exploit anyone. If you desire something so much, then go for it. What imperative does Apple have to forbid someone to exercise their freedom?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to s…

It's kind of sad really. Businesses prey on the human condition and there's nothing we can do about it because, well, Apple's not really breaking the law and we all like good cellphones.

No mention of self-control.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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I'm quite sad they have removed 3D Touch from the phones. A minor feature I really enjoy with quick peeking — and bummed to lose that touch information for apps like Procreate Pocket and other drawing tools.

The 3D Touch on the keyboard to edit text is absolutely amazing. I use it all the time and saves me a lot of time. I love it. It's a shame that most people don't know about it. However I don't use any other feature with 3D touch, either because I don't know about it or I find it useful.

That feature is also available without 3D Touch, just use a long press.

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post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window" for some people, a dinner out costs $2k. that is why you should never judge your clients. same thing for the other gentleman. you don't know their stories, or their backgrounds.

I know that nobody should be stretching themselves financially thin for a newer iPhone. Unless it’s something like an app developer needing to buy a test phone, which this clearly wasn’t.

> I know that nobody should be stretching themselves financially thin for a newer iPhone.

I think people are free to do whatever they want with their money. Is my view an extreme one nowadays?

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Typical consumerism. I have siblings who did the same for a fancy bed. These people are mostly helpless. And you're only an employee.. I'm sure it's not great to try to turn a customer away from a sale right ? Even as a sibling, unless I'm ready to start a family war there's no leverage. ps: the 40yo man might have sold or made use of the other iPhone. I hope he did not just pile them up in a drawer.

For me personally, working there was a perpetual moral internal debate. I was good at convincing people that were on the edge of buying. On one hand, the more you sell, the higher the commission you get, for you and the whole team. On the other hand, you have to sell tech that is one of the best, but for the time being, totally overpriced. Therefore, you have to manipulate a lot, and tell half-truths if not blatant l…

He should have returned sooner, within two weeks you can return or exchange it for free can't you?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window" for some people, a dinner out costs $2k. that is why you should never judge your clients. same thing for the other gentleman. you don't know their stories, or their backgrounds.

I knew/know this person personally. We all knew him because he was an habitual client. He is working as a professor in high school. So the probability of him being so wealthy to change one iPhone per week are not that high. That said, even if he is, do you think that his behavior would be consider sane? His story is just to point out how the sense of worthlessness in some people is financially exploited by prestigiou…

I don't see how FOMO explains anything more than the first purchase. The second and third purchases just seem like random stupidity.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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So, you have very expensive insurance? As it turns out, I've never destroyed any of my own phones, so I saved $300 every two years since I started buying smart phones 12 years ago. So $1800. If my phone gets submerged and Google won't replace it, I guess I'll have to buy another phone with my $1800 budget! Also, when I got my Pixel 3, the back had some waves in the paint. It literally did not matter at all, because I…

> So, you have very expensive insurance? Expensive compared to what, exactly? Car insurance, which doesn't have a world wide chain of stores you can walk into when your car is smashed up? House insurance, which also does not afford you the luxury of world wide stores with commission free staff to assist you when your house burns down? Most "insurance", if you want to call it that, doesn't offer you the same level of…

It's expensive to pay nearly double for a phone just because they have physical stores where you've gotten phones that you've destroyed replaced for free.

It's expensive to pay nearly double for a phone because you feel you need classes to learn how to use it.

I'm saying it is perfectly fine if you want to spend more money for the Apple experience. And obviously you are fine with that, too. I prefer to use my money on other things. It's not a competition between rabid fans. It's a market for selling chunks of hardware. So yes, they are competing for our dollars. I prefer to maintain my decision-making over where those dollars go. Having special in-store luxury experiences is not why I buy a phone that takes pictures and does other things nicely, too. But it's fine if you spend that money.

Insurance is betting you're going to have something bad happen. Expensive insurance is when the ones calculating the insurance make a bunch of money off you because you pay a lot more than you get out of it. Paying a ton for a low deductible but never making a claim. If you personally don't destroy phones, paying a lot for insurance on them doesn't make sense. I never said no one else should do so, or that no one else destroys phones. Obviously you do. But still not enough to make up for the price premium.

Overall it's not a solid argument for the phone, but you have your reasons for buying it. It just does nothing to discount my reasons for saving my money and buying a different phone.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#879

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

> Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos are shared would compress them anyways

Strongly agree, and the reason for that is that is that level of quality is good enough for the 99.99% use case of photography and anything above is simply a waste of storage space.

If you are actually a professional artist, it matters. If you're doing computer vision, it matters. For the other 99.99% of photos, it doesn't matter.

What Apple is selling at this point is just the aspiration that you're in the special 0.01%, or could be.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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There aren't many alternatives when you consider that cheap phones are Big Brother devices for Google.

And expensive phones aren't? As far as I can tell the only smartphone where you can be sure to not be spied on is yet to be released.

I grant you that an iPhone is still no guarantee, but there is a difference in the level of surveillance that Apple and Google exhibit.
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