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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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A week ago we discussed Om Malik's article "Camera sales are falling sharply". I am one of those people who now does not upgrade his camera, nor use it any more, as much as I like it. I use my smartphone, albeit with some aftermarket Moment wide- and fish-eye lenses on it.

This phone makes total sense to me. The money I used to spend on cameras and lenses will be captured by the smartphone companies.

https://om.co/2019/09/03/camera-sales-are-falling-sharply/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20875544

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Since it's quite obscure from the product page. Starting prices: - iPhone 11: $699 (64GB) - iPhone 11 Pro: $999 (64GB) - iPhone 11 Pro Max: $1099 (64GB)

$700 for the 11 is quite a good price for a phone that's going to last several years. The pixel 4 is going to have to come in at quite a good price to stop me from jumping ship to apple.

It is a fair price. I just wish the non-Pro had a 512 GB storage option. I'd like to take my whole music library with me - in its original lossless state this is of course not an option due to size, but even when transcoding to a lossy format for mobile use (which iTunes makes very easy while syncing) I'm still looking at roughly 220 GB and counting. My current 256 GB iPhone is obviously at capacity.

Now my only options are a 1500€ iPhone 11 Pro or an affordable Sony Walkman, but I don't really want to carry around another device.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#764

A week ago we discussed Om Malik's article "Camera sales are falling sharply". I am one of those people who now does not upgrade his camera, nor use it any more, as much as I like it. I use my smartphone, albeit with some aftermarket Moment wide- and fish-eye lenses on it. This phone makes total sense to me. The money I used to spend on cameras and lenses will be captured by the smartphone companies. https://om.co/20…

Well, for the casual user i agree, but wasn't that the case for a long time already? If you try shooting something that is quite far away or lightning conditions not optimal, a proper camera is still on a different level than any smartphone camera.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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post #689

Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc). This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Ap…

Apple hasn't really been on the bleeding edge for a while now. Android phones had bigger screens, wireless charging, quick charging, NFC payment years before the iPhone had those features. Apple strengths are in integration, design and marketing. Like mentioned, other phones had NFC payments way before the iPhone, but I'd say mobile phone payment really took off when Apple Pay came out. That's the power of marketing…

Well on the hand other the Apple FaceID was in fact on the bleeding edge. Apple introduced it two years ago and we're only going to see it on the Pixel later this year. And for SoC performance I don't think any Android phone can surpass Apple's chips from last year. Apple really is on the bleeding edge for some things. You can't expect them to be on the bleeding edge for everything.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

I have the same feeling. Sure, manufacturers still try to experiment a little with their folding phones etc., but overall the software and hardware changes very little from one generation to the next. I bought my last phone over 4 years ago and it wasn't new back then. The only reason I'm thinking about buying a new one is the software version. But it probably won't cost more than $200, because that's already enough…

The biggest issue I have with buying a new phone is getting fewer features(!!!). I have a OnePlus 5T and that's the last OnePlus to have a headphone jack. There's nothing that I can "upgrade" to without losing that feature(from OnePlus). And the performance of the 5T is more than enough, so there's literally no reason to upgrade.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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> building out a low cost, separate brand That is just not in Apple's DNA.

Hence the separate brand. Lexus to Toyota, Infiniti to Nissan, Acura to Honda, Porsche to VW.

But those went the other way around.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#768

A week ago we discussed Om Malik's article "Camera sales are falling sharply". I am one of those people who now does not upgrade his camera, nor use it any more, as much as I like it. I use my smartphone, albeit with some aftermarket Moment wide- and fish-eye lenses on it. This phone makes total sense to me. The money I used to spend on cameras and lenses will be captured by the smartphone companies. https://om.co/20…

Well, for the casual user i agree, but wasn't that the case for a long time already? If you try shooting something that is quite far away or lightning conditions not optimal, a proper camera is still on a different level than any smartphone camera.

Absolutely, a real camera is on a different level.

Photography is so pervasive now, so much a part of everyday life. For the casual to low level enthusiast, carrying a "Pro" smartphone is good enough and more convenient.

Computational photography is also a thing.

The iPhones 11 are on the front page of DPReview, which is interesting.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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post #689

Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc). This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Ap…

Apple hasn't really been on the bleeding edge for a while now. Android phones had bigger screens, wireless charging, quick charging, NFC payment years before the iPhone had those features. Apple strengths are in integration, design and marketing. Like mentioned, other phones had NFC payments way before the iPhone, but I'd say mobile phone payment really took off when Apple Pay came out. That's the power of marketing…

> Apple strengths are in integration, design and marketing.

I would place unmatched iOS security first, strong privacy stance second, well before marketing.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly can't put my finger on it. All those features you listed are great but none of them make me WANT that device. I used to want the new product they announced as soon as they showed it off. Maybe when I hold one in my hands that will change.

I can put my finger on it, literally, I love the fingerprint sensor for Apple Pay. I see my wife trying to use face-id for it and it seems very convoluted. Until someone shows me a simple a gesture as holding out my phone with my thumb on the fingerprint sensor, I don't have any want for a replacement for my 8.

One big problem with the fingerprint sensor: It's thrown off by even a minor amount of moisture.
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