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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by sjwright »

moftz wrote: post #704
luxuryballs wrote: post #697

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real estate agents, industrial photographers, people who make money affiliate marketing, maintaining a (whatever) review channel on YouTube, journalists, heck even sales or running a small business, lots of professional use cases. The difference between good and great is the little things.

The photos I see on real estate listings are horrendously compressed and have a potato-like quality. I have no idea if they were taken 15 years ago on a $10 point and shoot or on a brand new professional DSLR. Only thing you can sometimes tell is that they used a wide-angle lens.

In my experience (Sydney, Australia) they tend to get professionals to shoot with a quality DSLR, then they get pimple-faced Photoshop jockeys to flatten the dynamics and punch in a fake blue sky.

This new extra-wide camera is interesting as it's fairly rare for a consumer-targeted camera to exceed a 24mm (FFE) focal length. Even in expensive professional lenses, getting to 13mm (FFE) is fairly unusual. Most ultra-wide glass stops at 16mm.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by amrrs »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

I guess that's why Apple seems to be positioning their Phones for `Pros`. I kind of feel like it's the `Note` equivalent of Galaxy series. And also for the same purpose, the showed videos of Professional Videographer shooting videos with the iPhone 11 Pro. Those are the people who'd probably take out raw video/pic and edit it in Premire or lightroom.

This opens a huge area of business for them, if they can convince ad film makers devices because the current set of filming devices that they use aren't inexpensive.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by microtonal »

mcphage wrote: post #658
Zelphyr wrote: post #547

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I honestly can't put my finger on it. All those features you listed are great but none of them make me WANT that device. I used to want the new product they announced as soon as they showed it off. Maybe when I hold one in my hands that will change.

> I used to want the new product they announced as soon as they showed it off. Maybe you’ve grown up some since then? New phones are fun gadgets, but in the end, it’s just a phone.

It's also because the smartphone became mature. Many of the earlier iPhones had gigantic deltas: 3G, Retina + front-facing camera, Touch ID/secure enclave, > 4 inch display.

Now (or at least for now) the changes have become more iterative. The delta between several generations are still nice, but between individual generations are less enticing to immediately upgrade.

In the end this is not bad. Upgrading a still perfectly working product every 1 or 2 years is quite insane and taxing for the environment. A lot of credit should go to Apple for maintaining iOS support for old iPhones. This makes it possible for people to keep their phones longer or hand them down. Or for people with lower incomes to buy older generations and still get upgrades.

Of course, slower upgrade cycles are bad for manufacturers. So it's smart of Apple to increase revenue through services (Apple Music, Arcade, Apple TV+, iCloud Storage), rather than forcing their customers to upgrade perfectly-fine devices.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by alpaca128 »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

I have the same feeling. Sure, manufacturers still try to experiment a little with their folding phones etc., but overall the software and hardware changes very little from one generation to the next.

I bought my last phone over 4 years ago and it wasn't new back then. The only reason I'm thinking about buying a new one is the software version. But it probably won't cost more than $200, because that's already enough to get better hardware than I got 4 years ago for double the price, and I don't have an issue with performance.

Needless to say, I don't quite get how flagship phones still sell so well considering you can do basically everything for a small fraction of the cost. Is there really a mobile game or other app out there which requires top specs? Would such a game even sell enough quantities?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by sdan »

drey08 wrote: post #734
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

> blind test Well yes, all cameras look the same if you do a "blind" test. :)

Not that type of blind. Basically given a scenario, take a picture with n number of phones varying in quality/price. MKBHD the Youtuber then found that a worse quality camera came on top as the "best" quality for twitter/instagram users because that bad quality camera over-compensated with over exposure and some other factors (as far as I recall).

Essentially, camera quality in this day and age doesn't matter, unless you're a "pro" (which I predict 90% of the people who buy the 11 pro aren't)

Case in point: I have a SE and it takes photos fine. I'm not any model or pro, so taking pictures of basic day-to-day events or things is good enough for me.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by willis936 »

gigatexal wrote: post #478

The event was meh for me for the phones. Though I’m due for an upgrade and will likely get the 256GB 11 Pro Max (what a stupid name). The series 5 watch looks awesome. I think I’m in for one as I’m still on a working (all day battery) first gen - day one Apple Watch Sport edition. I’m most excited about the 16inch MacBook with a new keyboard as my mid 2013 MacBook Pro 15inch laptop is really showing its age. Apple re…

Feeling the same about the 256GB 11 pro max. The 6S is getting long in the tooth and my phone is the single most used device I have. If I can swallow a $1300 laptop upgrade every 4 years then I can do the same for my phone.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by bakuninsbart »

zaarn wrote: post #740
jimbokun wrote: post #230

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"Pro" has been pretty useful, I think, as a marker in Apple's other product lines. "MacBook Pro" and "iPad Pro" are the ones you buy if you need it for work, because the increased price will pay for itself with increased productivity. But buy the "Air" or basic versions if you are primarily using it for more basic tasks and media consumption. Not sure the "Pro" distinction will hold up for iPhone, though. I guess it…

I don't think any professional photographers will give up their DSLRs or Mirrorless/System Cameras in favor of an image sensor smaller than their fingernails.

It could have some niche applications in low-budget films / advertisement, as well as in the "meme" sphere.

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Post by qplex »

movedx wrote: post #525
neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

> All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers. I love it when people complain about the prices Apple charge, especially given the experiences I've had with…

>a premium reseller replaced the battery in 45 minutes for free. I bought the phone in Australia. Try that with your Pixel...

Actually on a (Samsung) Galaxy 5 you could've just popped open the back of the phone and replaced the battery yourself in a few seconds.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by gigatexal »

willis936 wrote: post #746
gigatexal wrote: post #478

The event was meh for me for the phones. Though I’m due for an upgrade and will likely get the 256GB 11 Pro Max (what a stupid name). The series 5 watch looks awesome. I think I’m in for one as I’m still on a working (all day battery) first gen - day one Apple Watch Sport edition. I’m most excited about the 16inch MacBook with a new keyboard as my mid 2013 MacBook Pro 15inch laptop is really showing its age. Apple re…

Feeling the same about the 256GB 11 pro max. The 6S is getting long in the tooth and my phone is the single most used device I have. If I can swallow a $1300 laptop upgrade every 4 years then I can do the same for my phone.

Yeah. In all honesty I could keep my iPhone X for years to come but I’m super curious about the new ones.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by willis936 »

randyrand wrote: post #490
pzo wrote: post #394

Seems like they are still shipping $1k phone with USB 2.0 transfer speed. I don't mind lightning connector (though usb-c would be nice) but this transfer speed is so disappointing. Even Samsung galaxy s5 note (5 generations back) already had that.

If all you care about is transfer speed Wifi 6 should at least beat USB 2.0. About 85 MB/s in practice but can theoretically do even more than that. It's still way too slow for 2019 IMO. https://nasilemaktech.com/wifi-6-speed-test/

I’m pretty sure you can’t do a backup/restore on windows over wi-fi.
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