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Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by dirtyid » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:28 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #9

aledalgrande wrote: post #6

As an immigrant in Canada (normal process, not refugee) I can say the process is fair, especially compared to other countries (see neighbor). The requirement on language makes sense and also the minimum amount of savings and no dangerous disease. Basically you are set to successfully start out. Just talking about my experience, but after living in other 3 countries, the openness of Canadians to immigrants and the cul…

Are you in one of the major cities?

He said Vancouver below, I guess what you're insinuating that there is less acceptance and occasional vitriol in less diverse regions of Canada? I think even then Canada is broadly more accepting. At least personally, there's many anecdotes of racist incidents among my POC / immigrant friends who studied or worked in major urban centres in other western countries.

It seems pretty rare in Canada and even then those incidents were within the last few years when the overton window moved all over the west. Multiple accounts of immigrants from Asian countries who lived in Toronto 30 years+ never experienced any outward racism get told to go back to their country recently. It's pretty surreal.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by SamReidHughes » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:30 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #8

On paper Canada is near perfect. But in practice it is a country that is suffering so much from having to maintain continent size infrastructure on the tax base that would match a very small European country that the only way they are going to solve this long term without reducing the size of their territory or falling apart is to import very large numbers of people and hope to integrate them. So far they are quite s…

Well here’s a question. Why does Canada have to maintain continent scale infrastructure? It could just let the interior go wild.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by aledalgrande » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:32 AM UTC

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #27

aledalgrande wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vancouver

I feel most American big cities are very welcoming to immigrants too, but much less so in rural areas... Do you still feel welcomed in rural areas in Canada?

Haven’t been much, met people from the boonies and they were all friendly. Although easy in my case, nowadays you say “Italian” and mostly everyone thinks pizza-pasta-fashion-boom-done.

Also theory of my Canadian friends is that all the anger Canadians might have is taken out at the hockey ice rink!

In the end hatred comes from ignorance, big cities are better because people interact and realize humans from somewhere else are in fact still humans.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by necro » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:32 AM UTC

tempestn wrote: post #7

jankotek wrote: post #4

> resettling more refugees than any other country in the world > Since 2017, approximately 150,000 asylum seekers have claimed protection This is pretty low number. Many countries took millions of refugees.

> Canada took in 28,100 of 92,400 refugees who were resettled in 25 countries last year https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-resettled-most-refug... Do you have a source for many countries taking in millions?

I think this article is cherry picking here trying to make Canada look good compared to say the USA and other countries. ( im canadain btw ) I think it's easy to take in 28K refuges when the illegal load is very small in Canada, of something like 20K per year [1] Compare that to the USA that needs to deal with an illegal load of 20X that. [2] And for 2019 the USA load seems to be twice that of 2018. [3]

1. https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/Irregular-border-...

( and this is just the sw border, not accounting for flights ) 2. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration/fy-20...

3. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by hollerith » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:35 AM UTC

soperj wrote: post #26

jacquesm wrote: post #8

On paper Canada is near perfect. But in practice it is a country that is suffering so much from having to maintain continent size infrastructure on the tax base that would match a very small European country that the only way they are going to solve this long term without reducing the size of their territory or falling apart is to import very large numbers of people and hope to integrate them. So far they are quite s…

I live in Victoria BC. Tons of immigrants, most are ESL, no issues. Definitely not one of Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver/Calgary/Edmonton. Where are the issues exactly? Because I've lived in quite a few places here and don't know what you're talking about.

A city (town?) with many ferries a day going between it and Vancouver is not a typical rural Canadian location.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by smnrchrds » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:36 AM UTC

tempestn wrote: post #7

jankotek wrote: post #4

> resettling more refugees than any other country in the world > Since 2017, approximately 150,000 asylum seekers have claimed protection This is pretty low number. Many countries took millions of refugees.

> Canada took in 28,100 of 92,400 refugees who were resettled in 25 countries last year https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-resettled-most-refug... Do you have a source for many countries taking in millions?

I am not the OP. When I read that sentence, I thought it meant total refugees settled, not just new 2018 refugee numbers. I would be very surprised if Canada is near the top in total resident refugees. A small country like Lebanon (population of less than 6 million, total area smaller than New York metropolitan area) has 1.5–2 million refugees residing in the country. By some estimates, more than a quarter of the population of Lebanon are refugees. No matter what indicator you choose (total, per capita, per square km, per $ GDP, ...), Lebanon would be far ahead in the number of refugees accepted.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by jankotek » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:36 AM UTC

tempestn wrote: post #7

jankotek wrote: post #4

> resettling more refugees than any other country in the world > Since 2017, approximately 150,000 asylum seekers have claimed protection This is pretty low number. Many countries took millions of refugees.

> Canada took in 28,100 of 92,400 refugees who were resettled in 25 countries last year https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-resettled-most-refug... Do you have a source for many countries taking in millions?

No sources, just anoctal evidence (I travel around middle east). Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi... 28k seems like very small number on global scale, tiny Lebanon has 1M.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by shard972 » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:39 AM UTC

petre wrote: post #22

wisdomdata wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

australia's yearly intake until recently for around a decade has been more than that.

Too bad they ship refugees off to Nauru and Papua New Guinea where they live in "processing centres". https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia...

How about Canada steps up to Australia's magnitude of generosity before telling them how they should manage said generosity.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by tempestn » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:39 AM UTC

SamReidHughes wrote: post #32

jacquesm wrote: post #8

On paper Canada is near perfect. But in practice it is a country that is suffering so much from having to maintain continent size infrastructure on the tax base that would match a very small European country that the only way they are going to solve this long term without reducing the size of their territory or falling apart is to import very large numbers of people and hope to integrate them. So far they are quite s…

Well here’s a question. Why does Canada have to maintain continent scale infrastructure? It could just let the interior go wild.

Which is for the most part what is done. Throughout most of Canada's land mass habitation is very sparse, mostly indigenous or small towns based around a natural resource industry.

Re: An open society, Canada’s best response to immigration

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Post by tempestn » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:40 AM UTC

hollerith wrote: post #35

soperj wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Victoria BC. Tons of immigrants, most are ESL, no issues. Definitely not one of Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver/Calgary/Edmonton. Where are the issues exactly? Because I've lived in quite a few places here and don't know what you're talking about.

A city (town?) with many ferries a day going between it and Vancouver is not a typical rural Canadian location.

Even without the proximity to Vancouver, Victoria is hardly rural. It's a small to medium city of around 350k people, as well as being the capital city of BC. The west coast in general is also quite a small-L liberal place. So to answer the parent's question, you would expect to find more intolerance in smaller towns in the interior and the north.