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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by abc_lisper »

prewett wrote: post #401
krzyk wrote: post #161

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Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and bette…

20% faster processor over what is already the best in the cellphone world. If intel or amd did the same, lot of the same people here would be cheering their hearts out.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by murukesh_s »

viraptor wrote: post #507
prewett wrote: post #401

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I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and bette…

> Dual SIM cards (a must for the Asian market) Haven't heard of that. Why is it a must?

They got used to dual sim in android devices. There are multiple use cases like keeping one number for office and can turn it off after office hours and another sim for personal life all in one device. Another use is have data plan in a cheaper provider and voice with another with better reliability or coverage etc, yet another is have a sim with international roaming or local one without using a separate phone when traveling!

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by jsjohnst »

tyre wrote: post #560
lucisferre wrote: post #541

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This is a very routine reply around here to every new iPhone announcement. Would you perhaps be able to elaborate on the features or improvements you did want to see but didn't? I mean I have an iPhone 8 and what I see are: - An edge-to-edge screen - Longer battery life - Faster processors - Improved cameras (don't care much myself but it is still improved) - FaceID - Updated Wifi and LTE technologies (not sure how m…

iPhones at this stage feel like cameras first and the rest is standard. I’m also on a 7 Plus. This iteration feels far enough ahead of mine to be worth considering. The only other update I want is more battery life. They’re thin enough; make them a third thicker with all of that used for battery. Or just thicker so the new camera is flush against the back casing.

> Or just thicker so the new camera is flush against the back casing.

SERIOUSLY! Why does the <1mm thinner matter so much to them to have the fugly camera bump instead? That space surely could be used by a slightly bigger battery if nothing else.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by jsjohnst »

ryanSrich wrote: post #554
lucisferre wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very routine reply around here to every new iPhone announcement. Would you perhaps be able to elaborate on the features or improvements you did want to see but didn't? I mean I have an iPhone 8 and what I see are: - An edge-to-edge screen - Longer battery life - Faster processors - Improved cameras (don't care much myself but it is still improved) - FaceID - Updated Wifi and LTE technologies (not sure how m…

A few that I was hoping for: - a larger screen option. 6.5 isn’t enough - a mini pencil to use on that larger screen - some type of integrated headset or device to use the new iPhone as a VR/AR headset - Better battery life. I know they announced this, but the batteries need to be 10-100x better. I can’t use my phone all day without it dying. I should be able to use it for a week without dying Thought of a few more t…

> a much smaller version of the iPhone. Like an iPhone nano

It exists, it’s called the Apple Watch cellular edition.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by tluyben2 »

ryanSrich wrote: post #554
lucisferre wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very routine reply around here to every new iPhone announcement. Would you perhaps be able to elaborate on the features or improvements you did want to see but didn't? I mean I have an iPhone 8 and what I see are: - An edge-to-edge screen - Longer battery life - Faster processors - Improved cameras (don't care much myself but it is still improved) - FaceID - Updated Wifi and LTE technologies (not sure how m…

A few that I was hoping for: - a larger screen option. 6.5 isn’t enough - a mini pencil to use on that larger screen - some type of integrated headset or device to use the new iPhone as a VR/AR headset - Better battery life. I know they announced this, but the batteries need to be 10-100x better. I can’t use my phone all day without it dying. I should be able to use it for a week without dying Thought of a few more t…

> Better battery life.

That is the only thing I want; sure there are good feature phones (I never use my iPhone for normal cellular calling) that have long battery life, but I want a high spec smart phone with at least 1 whole day (let’s say 24 hrs; when travelling, and that is often, I usually spend whole days working only on my phone; browsing, dictating, writing and doing conference calls; it is just empty after half a day like that) while using it the entire day. I do not need it to be so thin; I need it to last all day while using it with screen and 4g on.

I even tried out Oukitel monster phones; the k10000 first version actually made this but was bad otherwise (way too heavy, any kind of drop would shatter the screen; not very good specs besides the battery) while the next version did not make it (really cannot understand why).

So with my 7 plus I now carry an external battery and am contemplating the Chinese approach to battery life; carry 2 phones instead. I really wish they could fix this.

The watch helps when not travelling; it allows me to leave my phone off for long stretches but it it not an ideal solution.

> iPhone nano

I did not try the latest watches but do they not have a SIM and basically are a tiny iPhone?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by whyenot »

davnicwil wrote: post #325
hrktb wrote: post #279

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“Pro” is not just for productivity but comfort of use as well. As an analogy if you sit on a chair 8 hours a day you’ll want a super nice chair, even if it wouldn’t have direct effects on productivity compared to a just decent one. For most people relying on a smartphone for work, be it 700 or 1000 the device will pay for itself in a few months at most, so I think the price difference won’t matter much. Better batter…

Honest question, who relies on a smartphone for work? I mean, obviously people rely on a phone for work, people rely on email for work, but what jobs are there where getting the iPhone pro model would make a difference to getting, say, the now much lower priced iPhone 8.. or for that matter a used 2/3 year old flagship android phone?

Photographers. Many will choose a smartphone that would work as a "b" camera. Is it really that difficult for you to come up with other examples?

Here is one: I'm a botanist. I take a lot of pictures of herbarium specimens (pressed plant specimens in natural history museums) to make morphological measurements. I have a Sony A7RM3 that is a MUCH higher resolution, better quality camera, but it's a lot bigger, requires more setup time, etc. With an iPhone, the pictures I take are automatically uploaded into Apple's cloud storage and available on my laptop. It's a very nice, simple, relatively seamless system.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by alaskamiller »

summerlight wrote: post #429

Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc). This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Ap…

Apple's DNA from the get go is being an integrator.

Wozniak knows how to put it together more efficiently and Jobs scoured catalogs to get the best deals and knew where to source in the valley.

The secret sauce is just the Apple way of putting it together and serving it to you.

The clone wars era taught them to stop doing that but those days have been so far spread to now that this we're finding ourselves repeating similar mistakes.

Additionally there was also the Apple era of just rebranding shit for the sake of establishing halos and ecosystems. There were a period of Apple branded Sony monitors and Apple branded printers. They opted out of that and went with the retail option these days. At least they learned from that.

But yes, Apple got bigger. What once was getting chips from Sunnyvale to Cupertino is now getting chips from Shenzhen to Cupertino. And the milestone we've hit now is Apple today announcing a new camera with phone communication abilities.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by misterprime »

tpmx wrote: post #509
summerlight wrote: post #429

Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc). This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Ap…

This is a surprisingly thought-provoking comment and the theory checks out. Until Apple are able to break out of this mould I feel they'll be stuck at this combination of a) uninteresting yearly iterations b) ever increasing base phone prices for little end user gain I don't thinkt hey're able to paint themselves out of this corner on the smartphone front. They have iOS as a decent but certainly not impregnable moat…

Did the base phone price increase this year? I thought it stayed the same and improved some of the materials used in regards to toxicity and sourcing concerns.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by codefreakxff »

Comments here are missing one point. The very first thing the page says is “a new pro line for iPhone that delivers advanced performance for users who want the very best smartphone”. This is not meant to appeal to the mass market. It’s to silence critics that the competition is faster, has a better camera, longer battery, etc.

It’s true, this phone is not innovative and they pretty much say that.

I’m curious what would be innovative in a phone now, as opposed to incremental.

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