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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by lucisferre » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:39 PM UTC

Zelphyr wrote: post #533

For the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with w…

This is a very routine reply around here to every new iPhone announcement. Would you perhaps be able to elaborate on the features or improvements you did want to see but didn't?

I mean I have an iPhone 8 and what I see are:

- An edge-to-edge screen

- Longer battery life

- Faster processors

- Improved cameras (don't care much myself but it is still improved)

- FaceID

- Updated Wifi and LTE technologies (not sure how much hype that is)

- More durable (apparently) and more water resistant (at least compared to my 8)

- Multiple wireless headphone support (not sure I need this either but it is still a feature others will use)

I don't need to upgrade for any of these things, which is probably a good thing in terms of e-waste, but it is still definitely a clear upgrade from my current phone.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:41 PM UTC

Zelphyr wrote: post #533

For the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with w…

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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by rhizome » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:41 PM UTC

qaq wrote: post #538

Zelphyr wrote: post #533

For the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with w…

They need some fresh blood in the C ranks. The presenters themselves don't look like they themselves are actually excited about things they are presenting.

I suspect their strategy of rolling out a different speaker every 10 sentences might be an attempt at scouting for execs who can excite an audience. To whatever degree Apple is exciting anymore, that is.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by m463 » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:43 PM UTC

jimbokun wrote: post #230

neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

"Pro" has been pretty useful, I think, as a marker in Apple's other product lines. "MacBook Pro" and "iPad Pro" are the ones you buy if you need it for work, because the increased price will pay for itself with increased productivity. But buy the "Air" or basic versions if you are primarily using it for more basic tasks and media consumption. Not sure the "Pro" distinction will hold up for iPhone, though. I guess it…

I think apple "Pro" has been equivalent to "Prosumer" for years now.

More like "Prosumer" digital cameras, without removable lenses.

Don't know if the new mac pro will shake that up.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by bootlooped » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:43 PM UTC

noncoml wrote: post #53

Meh... I'll wait for 2020 iPhones and the 5 cameras. 3 are barely cutting it.

What about 16?

https://light.co/camera

Too bad their product came out 5 years too late and $1000 too expensive. Smartphone cameras have gotten so good it's obsolete.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by spookware » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:45 PM UTC

movedx wrote: post #525

neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

> All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers. I love it when people complain about the prices Apple charge, especially given the experiences I've had with…

So are you saying you got a new phone and battery for free?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by Zelphyr » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:45 PM UTC

lucisferre wrote: post #541

Zelphyr wrote: post #533

For the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with w…

This is a very routine reply around here to every new iPhone announcement. Would you perhaps be able to elaborate on the features or improvements you did want to see but didn't? I mean I have an iPhone 8 and what I see are: - An edge-to-edge screen - Longer battery life - Faster processors - Improved cameras (don't care much myself but it is still improved) - FaceID - Updated Wifi and LTE technologies (not sure how m…

I honestly can't put my finger on it. All those features you listed are great but none of them make me WANT that device. I used to want the new product they announced as soon as they showed it off. Maybe when I hold one in my hands that will change.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by rhizome » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:46 PM UTC

prewett wrote: post #401

krzyk wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and bette…

- "immersive audio" (this is a maybe: I'll be impressed if a phone can pack speakers that beat my studio headphones, but the 2019 MacBook Pro 15" is 95% as good, so there's a possibility)

I can't figure out any way that this is not going to be mid-side "wide" mode, from speakers on each end when the phone is at landscape.

https://soundbridge.io/make-wider-mixes-mid-side-ms-techniqu...

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by paggle » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:46 PM UTC

Where is the new and wacky stuff that Apple is working on? Facebook has Oculus VR and those weird solar powered airplanes providing Internet access in rural countries. Google has its self driving cars. Where's Apple's research project?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by Razengan » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 10:46 PM UTC

I have purchased an iPhone every year since the 5. The XS was the first time I regretted it.

It's not bad by any means, but there really wasn't much of a change from the X (which I loved), except for the dual SIM feature. I may upgrade my Series 4 Watch to the Series 5, but I don't feel excited for the iPhone 11 Pro, and find that enormous camera module ugly, though the camera features are tempting.

Since the XS I've felt that Apple should switch to a biennial schedule, with new hardware every other year, while increasing the frequency of minor OS updates.

If they had XS was skipped then the 11 would have been a more exciting release. I feel smartphone tech in general has reached a plateau.