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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by RubberShoes » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:59 PM UTC

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #404

RubberShoes wrote: post #375

Apple knew it back in 2017 and as each year progresses it’s becoming increasingly clear we have exited the innovation phase and are well into the saturated/sustained phone market. We will never see an iPhone announcement quite like the first 5 and the X. Short of a form factor change, our phones will last longer and the new phone feature list will decrease year over year. Also - the Pros are thicker, heavier, and sli…

People have complained for years about battery life. So Apple finally increases the battery slightly, and now I see people complaining about the weight. I understand now why Apple has resisted this for so long. All Apple phones are too thin, too slippery, and too light. I want my Treo back! At least give me the curved 3GS again.

I’m not complaining. If anything, I think Apple has actually listened to all the complaints of battery life and reacted in a rather significant way. For example, the SoC discussion today highlighted the extensive work done to race to 0 and how significant that affects the Pro’s battery life. Each generation gets thicker, and in return we’re seeing some of the best battery life ever. These phones will last for years I dont think anyone investing >$700 in these has an issue with that

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by laumars » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

hrktb wrote: post #323

laumars wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last year I bought some bluetooth earphones (Bose rather than Apple) and honestly I don't miss wired earphones one bit. In fact it surprised me just how much I don't miss wired earphones. The biggest annoyance for me is that Nintendo's Switch requires a bluetooth dongle to work with bluetooth earphones despite having it's own bluetooth radio built in.

Are you pairing your earphones with multiple devices ? (your phone and switch ?) That’s the last point that makes me pause, as pairing/unpairing/switching is a PITA and I have four devices I want to hear audio from. I though only airpods and Beats could switch seemlessly so I am intrigued.

My Bose earphones can be connected to two devices concurrently. However it can be paired to a multitude more devices but not connected to them. Which means if you have 3 devices turned on (eg laptop, Switch and phone) it might only be connected to the laptop and phone. So you either have to switch the connection via the phone app (which isn't the prettiest nor most intuitive of apps but it's "good enough" for what it is) or turn off one of the devices and the earphones will auto-switch to the next available pared bluetooth device.

I don't think there is a way in the Bose app of setting an order of preference for which devices will take precedence (eg when I pared with my laptop, the laptop would take ownership and stop the phone from playing everytime the laptop was turned on - which was rather annoying to say the least). But it was a while ago when I last checked.

So you don't have to pair an unpair all the time but there are some annoying edge cases. However it's still easier than unplugging and replugging the cable.

One thing I will say in favour of wired earphones is that the wire itself is actually rather nice tool for not actually losing your earphone. The bluetooth earphones I have are connected via a cable between the two ear pieces (which goes round the back of your neck) which means I can take the earphones out to talk to someone and not worry about dropping or losing an earpiece. So often on the London underground I see people dropping an AirPod and then scrambling around a busy escalator trying to pick the damn thing up. I dread to think how many people have lost or broken their AirPods directly because of their form factor. So if you're the clumsy sort or struggle to find earphones which stick in your ear, then you might be better off sticking to wired earphone or buying headphones instead.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by bradenb » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

CDSlice wrote: post #276

bradenb wrote: post #211

Honestly I was hoping that the leaked images were somehow very wrong. I hate the look of the back of the phone now. Who thought a rectangular module with a triangle of circular cameras would look good? It doesn't. It looks terrible.

Me? I personally like the design, it looks futuristic to me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Well that’s good. Maybe it’ll grow on me, or maybe I’ll find the feature set just makes me not care. I just love the look of my X so this feels like a visual downgrade.

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Post by matwood » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:01 PM UTC

iamnotacrook wrote: post #309

krzyk wrote: post #161

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Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

People say they expect more, but what, exactly? Do people still expect more from a laptop? They're laptops - they've not changed in 15 years. They just get faster, smaller and more easy to break. Phones have caught up. Nothings happening except more megapixels, plus slightly faster CPUs so..i dunno...snapchat loads faster or whatever, or more lenses or whatever, plus the sort of twilight zone $999 = £1049 pricing in…

> People say they expect more, but what, exactly?

Agreed. At this point the iPhone is basically a slab of glass. The are not many form factor changes to be made except the further shrinking of bezels and the notch. They could swap the back materials or flatten the sides like the iPhone 4, but that's just change to change.

IMO, +4 hours of batter life on the new Pro is a huge deal. Every person I know carries around portable battery packs and is always stressing over battery life. Adding 4 hours (even if it ends up only being 2 in real world) is a bigger deal than probably even the cameras.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:01 PM UTC

krzyk wrote: post #161

jl6 wrote: post #86

This thread needs to lighten up. The 11 is an incremental improvement - is that so wrong? Who still upgrades their phone every year anyway? I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment.

Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

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Post by dawnerd » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:01 PM UTC

gnicholas wrote: post #33

Disappointing that the base configuration of the iPhone 11 Pro has 64 GB of storage. If you're going to call it Pro and talk about how you can shoot professional video, you can't ship it with 64 GB of storage. EDIT: Also, they don't let you jump to 128 GB. You have to go to 256 GB, for $150 more. I can see why they didn't talk about this at the event. People would have booed.

I have the XS Max 64 gig and I haven't really had a problem with space and I shoot quite a bit. I am pretty religious with offloading to the cloud, google drive in particular.

Now would I buy another 64 gig again? Probably not, at least with arcade coming and knowing how fast the games eat up space.

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Post by dawnerd » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

beamatronic wrote: post #150

kerbs wrote: post #139

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As long as you have a decent iCloud data subscription, all that 4k video quickly gets whisked away to the cloud. The 64GB on the device effectively houses installed apps and an effective cache of thumbnails and downloaded content. I have the 256 GB config and the needle basically never moves up from about 45 GB.

The problem with keeping it in iCloud is how do you get it all out of iCloud? Say onto Linux, or into another cloud like Dropbox or Google Drive?

Alternately use Google photos w/ google drive subscription.

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Post by gowld » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

askl56 wrote: post #199

neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

Whilst I agree with your premise, the problem is that they explicitly made the distinction that this was for professionals. I can't remember the precise verbiage but when Cook introduced it he said that this was by and for professionals.

Instgram influencers are professionals in their particular niche.

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Post by summerlight » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc).

This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Apple doesn't have to push the state of the art for the manufacturing technologies. Multi-touch, Retina Display, Apple designed SoC were all good examples where this strategy worked out very well.

The trouble is that now most of the low hanging fruits are gone and the rest of innovation opportunities lie within the manufacturer side and require non-trivial investments. For instance, getting rid of notch requires camera under screen technology. This is being developed by Samsung, their competitor. The same thing applies to fingerprint sensor under screen. While all the competitors are shipping 5G in their flagships, iPhone 11 couldn't ship 5G due to their hard dependency on Qualcomm. In short, the current landscape doesn't allow Apple to keep itself on the bleeding edge in the smartphone business.

I'm curious about how Apple will address this problem. Disappointingly, I haven't seen any positive signal to indicate that Apple has a good plan to address this issue. It first tried a high-price, even-more-premium strategy and this turned out to be a disastrous one. Apple now tries to expand into the services business and chooses to be a competitor to its own ecosystem by exercising its dominant position. I'm pretty sure that this plan will work very well, maybe too well sufficient to de-prioritize the iPhone business just enough to keep its marketshare around 3~40% and make no more commitments. I hope I'm wrong.

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Post by antjanus » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #20

That camera cluster gives me trypophobia vibes. I feel like some sort of robot insect monster is going to hatch and take over my brain. (and/or this iPhone is an infant robot overlord) Another iteration of "why bother" gadgets which is definitely cool but do we all really need one? I expect the fad to break in the next decade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypophobia

I have that issue with it. The images of the phone make me physically uncomfortable