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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by heavymark » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:39 PM UTC

askl56 wrote: post #199

neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

Whilst I agree with your premise, the problem is that they explicitly made the distinction that this was for professionals. I can't remember the precise verbiage but when Cook introduced it he said that this was by and for professionals.

Well they specifically said it’s Pro users... and for everyone else who wants the best of what Apple has to offer. They could certainly remove the 64gb entry option and thus increase the base price but then everyone who only needs 64gb is paying more for a feature they don’t need or want. Rather Apple usually waits until part prices make it so they can both reduce the price and this remove the previous entry model which one can assume will happen in a few years.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by eddieh » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:39 PM UTC

sorum wrote: post #159

eddieh wrote: post #7

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I'm just happy they dropped the stupid 'X' nomenclature. Now they need to rename Xcode to Apple Code or something...

The X was roman numeral 10

That's what I think is stupid. Roman numerals are stupid and make things inconsistently named. iPhone ten vs ecks-code.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

nanoservices wrote: post #171

dan-robertson wrote: post #74

Perhaps one day they will add enough cameras to make the phone flat again.

I'd rather they make the back uniform thickness so the camera bump is eliminated. Take the extra space for a larger battery. No one is asking for thinner phones but quite a lot of people would love phones with better battery life.

They did increase the battery life in these phones.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by paul7986 » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #158

paul7986 wrote: post #111

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Ive been using iOS 13 and am not liking the haptic touch enhancements like... 1. Now to delete an app from homescreen I have to choose from a menu and then click the X to delete. Inside the menu I usually see "share this app," which for me holds no value. 2. The worst is haptic touch in Safari. While scrolling now Im constantly tapping a link and opening a maddening preview window. Terrible... anyone know how to turn…

Yes: when the preview shows up you can turn it off from the menu that comes alongside it.

Thanks and unfortunately I still see a preview menu just not the full preview window.

I don't want to scroll while browsing and have any windows appear unless I click a specified link. With this addition each link I scroll and mistakenly grab brings up this annoying preview menu.

I don't get it ... is this addition helpful to others? Anyone else extremely annoyed by it?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by stilldavid » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

fetus8 wrote: post #194

dan-robertson wrote: post #74

Perhaps one day they will add enough cameras to make the phone flat again.

I feel like the best compromise would be to utilize the new, larger camera bump to add a slightly larger image sensor, even just 25-50% larger than the current sensors. I feel like it would make a noticeable improvement to the image quality, and justify the giant bump on the back of these devices.

With a larger sensor, wouldn't you need a longer lens to get the same effective focal length, making the bump protrude even more?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by tomerico » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

dan-robertson wrote: post #74

Perhaps one day they will add enough cameras to make the phone flat again.

The camera bump(s) actually work really well with phone cases, allowing the phone with case to be thinner and flat.

Since almost everyone carries their phone in a case, it seems like a reasonable solution.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by kalleboo » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

gnicholas wrote: post #47

EasyTiger_ wrote: post #23

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With the most underwhelming event

I was hoping for Tile-like trackers. I wonder if they'll show up later this fall in a different event. Would make sense to put it close to the holiday shopping season. Still, would have liked to have seen them today...

The specs page for the new phone mentions "Ultra Wideband chip for spatial awareness" so it's sure to come

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by tcmb » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

jimbob45 wrote: post #185

I'll never buy another iPhone without the analog Home button. Having a hardwired "I'm stupid" button makes me feel safe. Keeping it in software means that, when my phone inevitably slows down or crashes, I have no recourse but to wait for the phone to be responsive again. I know they do it to keep the repair costs down and I appreciate that but the analog button is just that important to me.

A hardware button still doesn't help if the software is not responding, does it? What else should a hardware home button do, than to cause some change in the software?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by kalleboo » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

Flavius wrote: post #98

z5h wrote: post #66

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They improved every aspect of the phone. Each is a feat of engineering unto itself. What were you hoping for?

I was hoping for USB-C and no camera bump on the back. Just make the phone 1mm thicker and add some extra battery. I guess that would be too much... We have to live with the "up to 4h" extra battery life that would probably translate in 1h of extra battery in the real world. It's just depressing.

The 11 Pro is 0.4mm thicker than the XS (and the X/XS were 0.6mm thicker than the 7). They're slowly getting there.

> We have to live with the "up to 4h" extra battery life that would probably translate in 1h of extra battery in the real world

Comparing the numbers to the stated numbers for the iPhone XS, "streaming video" has actually gone down by 3 hours. And they removed the "internet use" spec completely. You can now listen to music for 65 hours instead of 60 though.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by jimbokun » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 7:42 PM UTC

neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

"Pro" has been pretty useful, I think, as a marker in Apple's other product lines.

"MacBook Pro" and "iPad Pro" are the ones you buy if you need it for work, because the increased price will pay for itself with increased productivity. But buy the "Air" or basic versions if you are primarily using it for more basic tasks and media consumption.

Not sure the "Pro" distinction will hold up for iPhone, though. I guess it depends if Pro Photographers actually will give up their "Pro" cameras for an iPhone 11 Pro. And I can't think of any other profession where the iPhone Pro will "pay for itself" in productivity increases relative to other iPhones.