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Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by Causality1 »

skyyler wrote: post #14
Causality1 wrote: post #4

Oh great, so instead of buying flavors from stores people will buy them on the street and make them at home using dubious online tutorials.

People have been making their own vape liquids at home for at least the last five years, probably closer to the last decade. It isn't difficult, a guide to making vape liquid is basically a lesson in measuring liquid volume and a handful of links to flavoring merchants. I don't see how that could be dubious...

The vast majority of people will be fine. It's the most idiotic one percent of people this endangers but even fools still deserve to be able to safely buy their e-liquid.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by Causality1 »

ameister14 wrote: post #63
Causality1 wrote: post #4

Oh great, so instead of buying flavors from stores people will buy them on the street and make them at home using dubious online tutorials.

Yes, because that's what happens in high schools all over the country - the scourge of bathtub gin is real

What's this have to do with high schools? Booze and vaporizers are both illegal for minors and minors get their hands on both anyway. The proposed law is an outright ban on flavored liquids even for adults.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by celdon25 »

freehunter wrote: post #45
celdon25 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding, many of the flavored juices contain Vitamin E, which we're just now finding out is potentially deadly when inhaled (hence the recent deaths). It's a largely unregulated industry already when it comes to safety of peripheral ingredients. Wouldn't it be very costly to start scrutinizing each manufacturer's ingredients? Do you know what you're really getting if you decide to buy some vaping produc…

The recent deaths come from vaping THC, not nicotine [1]. Vaping THC is a mostly unregulated industry because cannabis is illegal at the federal level. Most reports call it "vaping related deaths" which is misleading because it's not the substance most people are vaping, the cause of the deaths is mostly unregulated THC vapes. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/vaping/indiana-reports-its-fi...

The legality of THC has little to do with the fact that ingredients of many household products across the board are not scrutinized to the level of safety that would have prevented this kind of outbreak from happening in the first place. Can you provide any details on what federal agency & team is inspecting nicotine cartridge production lines or imports in the US?

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by Akinato »

nv-vn wrote: post #125
wcarron wrote: post #102

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28318902 From this study: > Current flavored (including menthol) tobacco product use was highest in youth (80%, aged 12-17 years); and young adult tobacco users (73%, aged 18-24 years); and lowest in older adult tobacco users aged ≥65 years (29%). Flavor was a primary reason for using a given tobacco product, particularly among youth. Eighty-one percent of youth and 86% of young ad…

How is flavor the #1 reason for use? I don't get how they determined that.

I'm betting the question was something akin to "Why do you prefer vaping over smoking traditional cigarettes?" or "Do you prefer flavored smoking products over unflavored?"

While the argument does have some minor merits, I'm personally against removing flavors from smoking products.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by celdon25 »

scriptkiddy wrote: post #50
celdon25 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding, many of the flavored juices contain Vitamin E, which we're just now finding out is potentially deadly when inhaled (hence the recent deaths). It's a largely unregulated industry already when it comes to safety of peripheral ingredients. Wouldn't it be very costly to start scrutinizing each manufacturer's ingredients? Do you know what you're really getting if you decide to buy some vaping produc…

> From my understanding, many of the flavored juices contain Vitamin E That is incorrect; specifically the "many" part. Vitamin E Acetate was found is black market(illegal) THC cartridges in the midwest. Vitmain E acetate is used in THC oils to increase potency. Legitimate THC oil producers in legal states do not use Vitmain E Acetate in their oils. Nicotine juices are a completely different industry.There would be n…

>I understand why you would be misinformed though, because the articles on the subject have been very reactionary and exaggerated in order to stir up media frenzy and drive views and clicks.

It would have been great if we could have had this conversation without going there. One could easily say the same about some of your claims regarding the Vitamin E only being found in black market samples, and only in the midwest. Also, what is defined as a "legitimate" producer? Do you think every company out there that has a product in a supermarket follows every single law and regulation on the books?

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by mieseratte »

crispyporkbites wrote: post #98
mieseratte wrote: post #19

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> As individuals we’re not equipped to defend against profit seeking products that are bad for our health, hence we need action from our elected representatives. Just say no?

You don’t have as much free will as you think you do on these matters.

> You don’t have as much free will as you think you do on these matters.

So your answer is having Nanny Government ban it?

Can't worry about free will if you don't have it, I suppose.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by mieseratte »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #78
mieseratte wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As individuals we’re not equipped to defend against profit seeking products that are bad for our health, hence we need action from our elected representatives. Just say no?

Man, where is this attitude when opiates are in the news!

We could ask ol' Nancy, unfortunately I hear Sid killed her.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by mieseratte »

jimhefferon wrote: post #59
mieseratte wrote: post #21

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> Why should I pay more because you drinks coke, diabetic and smoke yourself towards lung cancer? Why should I pay taxes for schools and roads and services I don't use?

We all pay taxes for schools so there will be engineers to build the airplanes, cars, dishwashers, etc., that we do use. Likewise, we pay for roads so that trucks carrying our dinners can get to the store.

Guess I should've added a

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by celdon25 »

magashna wrote: post #42
celdon25 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding, many of the flavored juices contain Vitamin E, which we're just now finding out is potentially deadly when inhaled (hence the recent deaths). It's a largely unregulated industry already when it comes to safety of peripheral ingredients. Wouldn't it be very costly to start scrutinizing each manufacturer's ingredients? Do you know what you're really getting if you decide to buy some vaping produc…

Weren't those only regarding THC cartridges?

"Only" THC cartridges? There are more smokers of marijuana than those of nicotine in some demographics.
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