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Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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From the top twitter comment: > 0.06BTC in fees? Why so expensive? Just gotta say, its pretty amazing we live in a world where 1 billion dollars can get transferred pseudo-anonymously in a reasonable time frame, only costing the transfer party $600. As a really stupid, non-real-world comparison, Western Union has a transfer limit of $2500 per transaction, and a $20 fee per transaction. If you were to initiate a $1,00…

Do you really think people use 400,000 transactions costing $20 apiece to move large amounts of money? If you keep a billion dollars in a bank account (!) you can simply call your private banker and have it done with no fee.

Private bankers aren't free though.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#672

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I had a casual acquaintance who had a few hundred million dollars managed by a large US bank. His son--who only had single-digit millions--wanted to buy a house, so the dad talked to the bank and they arranged a zero-interest mortgage for him. They were happy to pass on what they might have earned from the mortgage interest (a few hundred thousand dollars, I'd guess) to make this guy a happy client.

Are you sure it was a real mortgage? Many of these stupidly-rich-person ‘mortgages’ are actually loans against collateral (and can go interestingly wrong if the value of the collateral drops rapidly).

No, not sure. He called it a mortgage, but you may be right.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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post #575

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> the multisig thing that happened to Gav Wood I wasn't sure what you were referring to, but it looks like maybe https://cointelegraph.com/news/parity-multisig-wallet-hacked...

Yep, that's the one. The astounding, insane decision to use "libraries" aka delegate call in any immutable smart contract always boggled my mind. The amount of space saved is so ludicrously small as to beggar belief. Hope the 10k or whatever worth of space savings (about 20 transactions worth) was worth it. Anyway, he didn't get a roll back, and the $200m in value that disappeared didn't either.

wonder if he got to claim that as a loss on a tax form somewhere... hmmm.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#674

Ok, slightly offtopic and rant, but: My main problem with Bitcoin, etc. is: it is just too complicated. I mean, I did study CS and do have some knowledge about math and cryptography and I followed Bitcoin from the beginning with curiosity - and I still only have a vague understanding of it all. Now sure, I could invest some days and really study it and things would probably look different. But if it is hard for me, h…

https://hackernoon.com/everything-wrong-with-bitcoin-in-2019...

7,000 words but might help you with the current state of things and why its confusing

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#675

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> a ... quote that summarizes to nothing more than "rich people are evil" But that isn't at all what the quote says, that's what you attributed to it.

There's a whole thread about interpreting the quote debating whether it paints rich people in a positive or negative light, and amazingly nobody focused on the part that says "they think they are better than we are". Perhaps that's what the HN audience really thinks of rich people and thus skipped that point? Someone thinking they are better than others based on wealth alone is an unmistakable negative in my book.

I agree that it's a negative quality, and it's a far cry from evil in my opinion.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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A billion was moved and we don’t know the identity of the person. Not sure what you are describing.

That doesn’t matter. The billion is worthless if you can’t spend it. Spend 1$ from that wallet and your identity will be known.

yeah. you obviously don’t get how bitcoin wallets work. you can have more that one address associated with the wallet and you can spend out of multiple addresses. there are also ways to anonymize the addresses (not to mention that you can create as many addresses as you want to begin with).

see:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawi...

https://cryptalker.com/bitcoin-mixer/

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#677

Imagine how much money you could make by creating a bogeyman bitcoin wallet! Step 1, Consolidate 94,000 BTC into one single address the entire crypto world is now watching. Step 2, Send 1,000 BTC from bogeyman bitcoin wallet to exchange crypto wallet. Step 3, Freak the shit out of the market. Promptly sell the entire lot in one single market sell order. Meanwhile you've got another 50,000 BTC or whatever sitting on c…

No this would not be illegal under spoofing laws as you haven't posted a bid or ask.

What you described would work if the goal was to obtain more bitcoin. If you want more dollars this strategy carries to much risk and this is distinctly a long bitcoin strategy.

Now add some hedging in the futures market and now we’re talking

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#679

Ok, slightly offtopic and rant, but: My main problem with Bitcoin, etc. is: it is just too complicated. I mean, I did study CS and do have some knowledge about math and cryptography and I followed Bitcoin from the beginning with curiosity - and I still only have a vague understanding of it all. Now sure, I could invest some days and really study it and things would probably look different. But if it is hard for me, h…

https://hackernoon.com/everything-wrong-with-bitcoin-in-2019... 7,000 words but might help you with the current state of things and why its confusing

Oh thanks, seems to be a good article .. but I really could not send it to a non computer guy ...

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#680
post #507

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the amount of trivialization and conflation irks me 1. "51% attack" is not a thing as in "one has to have 51% of hashpower to perform it". it's just that with 51% of hashpower it becomes relatively cheap to perform such attack. one can throw enough money at the problem and get lucky to perform large reorg with just 10% of hashpower. the lower the number - the more lucky attacker has to get. 2. "rewriting a block" or…

There is a danger of theft, and the risk is to everyone, not just the parties to this big transaction. The risk is this: 1. A malicious syndicate gathers a billion dollars of bitcoin and sends it to themselves 2. In a short period of time, like a few days, the syndicate exchanges that bitcoin for non-bitcoin assets 3. The syndicate spends tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to fork the chain, backing up the ledge…

> so that they own the billion dollars of bitcoin again

which is now worth zero :)

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