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American Phrase Book

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Re: American Phrase Book

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I've never heard of Americans thinking/saying they were direct. In my case I see our culture as the opposite, as this page seems to demonstrate. Corporate double-speak is a well-known thing here (I presume its similar in many places, but I don't know), and I'm sure most people like me were taught "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all". A common trope in child programs when I grew up was th…

Throughout my (American) childhood, I was always told that harmful lies were bad, but various purported sources of moral lessons (books, shows, etc.) had different ideas about "white lies." Some were all for them ("It's a lie, but we say it because we love them!"); others took the line "It's better to be honest even if it's hard." Of course, there was a very common character trope with some kid who was told "Honesty…

> had different ideas about "white lies."

Maybe, without going all sapir-whorf, the common use of an idiomatic "white lies" expression might mean something, like, say, the existence of "jeitinho" in brazilian portuguese.

Re: American Phrase Book

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I'd love to see one of these for Australian English, although I don't think it would be possible. Aussies have a love of metaphor a simile that's unmatched in any other dialect of English, especially if you hang out with bogans (basically Australian Rednecks, for lack of a better description). It's basically the opposite of America, where instead of trying to be excessively polite, we try to be excessively offensive.…

It should be pointed out that the word 'Seppo' meaning American comes from the rhyming slang of a septic tank rhyming with 'yank', and then seppo being the shortened form of septic tank.

Re: American Phrase Book

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This is great. I think we need phrasebooks for all cultures. I'm Indian, and a Chinese friend was pissed that Indians say "yes" and never do it. I think it's a cultural no-no in India to say "no" to someone's face. I finally realised that a short "yes" most probably means "yes", and a long-drawn out "yes" probably means "no".

This is not helpful for a Dutch person like me (who are usually very direct) when the IT has been outsourced to India. You ask them to do something, they say yes and when time comes it hasn't been done. This got me so annoyed.

Re: American Phrase Book

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I'd love to see one of these for Australian English, although I don't think it would be possible. Aussies have a love of metaphor a simile that's unmatched in any other dialect of English, especially if you hang out with bogans (basically Australian Rednecks, for lack of a better description). It's basically the opposite of America, where instead of trying to be excessively polite, we try to be excessively offensive.…

To clarify the "yeah, nah". It often depends on the order, e.g:

"Want to go out tonight?" "Yeah nah let's stay home." ('nah' last = no)

"Should we leave now?" "Nah yeah let's go." ('yeah' last = yes).

Sometimes "yeah nah" by itself said strongly can be synonymous with "no way". Sometimes "nah yeah" said strongly can be synonymous with "hell yeah".

Australian is the best dialect of English.

Re: American Phrase Book

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As an American I found this list funny at first, and then it made me realize how difficult it must be for people who learned English in other countries to come here.

While this may have been intended as a joke, it may actually be useful to people who want to do business in America.

Re: American Phrase Book

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I'd love to see one of these for Australian English, although I don't think it would be possible. Aussies have a love of metaphor a simile that's unmatched in any other dialect of English, especially if you hang out with bogans (basically Australian Rednecks, for lack of a better description). It's basically the opposite of America, where instead of trying to be excessively polite, we try to be excessively offensive.…

"Built like a brick shithouse"

Interestingly this has a different meaning in the US, and explains the Commodores 'Brick House'[1]

"Busier than a one armed brickie in Baghdad"

At the risk of over analysing, I wouldn't employ a one armed brickie, unless he were cheap ofcourse.

[1] https://www.idioms.online/built-like-a-brick-shithouse

Re: American Phrase Book

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As a Brit some of these seem fairly universal, "no offense" for example. Although my Grandparents don't say it before announcing something outrageously offensive, I just put that down to mental filters breaking down due to old age. There also needs to be a section on Americans aversion to discussing bodily functions. "restroom", "powder my nose"?

   "restroom"
Is "loo" any less ambiguous?

Speaking of Brits, they did point out the perils of faulty phrase books many years ago:

https://youtu.be/bNP7uQQT-oo

Re: American Phrase Book

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I picked up an English copy of the Culture Shock series of books at a bookstore in Japan that was focused on the US (where I was born). Hugely enlightening. The biggest "ah ha" moment was how Americans always worried about owing people something, so they don't like to ask to borrow things or ask for help.
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