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Re: Daytripper

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You'd need to make sure it actually works, on Macbooks for example the USB ports are all fused so it only kills your USB ports but the rest of the computer is unaffected.

Not sure I believe that. I've watched Louis Rossmann talking about Apple's fuses.

I swear I saw a video of someone doing it but can't find it on a cursory look and it seems the latest macbook has been killed by one. Or at least it turned off, the person videoing didn't try turning it back on to make sure it wasn't just a safety tripping the whole power system.

Re: Daytripper

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If you work in an environment where you're expected to be busy at all times even without much to do - well.. things like this come in handy.

I agree. I'm just questioning the management logic of being "expected to be busy at all times even without much to do". I remember some papers linking boredom and leisure activity with creativity. Creativity is important for programming.

I'm expected to appear busy ;-)

Re: Daytripper

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See also: converting your current Kindle read to plain text and pasting it into your ide or email editor... We need more "plain sight slacking" tips to be on the lookout for, so we can stay vigilant.

I feel that it's easier just to have clear tasks with deadlines, using decent project management software like say Asana, Monday, or whatever. If they're meeting the deadlines and the work is good, why bother wasting time being big bro and treating them like a child? Why not just go by results? (you can check commits as well, and CI not going off will at least tell you nothing is broken)

Oh god not Asana.

Re: Daytripper

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Looks like it doesn't work anymore, but at one point someone styled reddit to look like you were reading a Word document: https://pcottle.github.io/MSWorddit/

Looks like the site depends on yql which was sunset on Jan. 3rd, 2019: https://twitter.com/ydn/status/1079785891558653952?lang=en

Re: Daytripper

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Dave was fired because every time his boss walked by his desk he was staring at his desktop.

This is why I built a custom tool to automatically hide all "marked" windows as soon as I switch off of them. Could be integrated with something like this pretty easily.

I'd use a separate virtual desktop for off-topic tasks, then just switch to that. Simple command in Linux, probably also in Windows

Re: Daytripper

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The best kind of "screwing around" is screwing around in plain sight. Once, I had a fresh grad in my team and I had to get him up to speed. I noticed he was taking more than the usual time to do basic tasks, yet whenever I passed by his desk, he had three terminals open and had c++ code here and there and compilation errors on another window. Two months later, he would move to a different company. Turns out that he w…

> Two months later, he would move to a different company. Turns out that he was just practicing his programming skills People sometimes challenge Google's interviewing process as being unnecessarily stringent. What I can say about it is that you won't find BS like this happening at Google.

Nor at many other companies either which are not doing Google or FANG-style interview.

Re: Daytripper

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So you never find yourself working on a hard problem that you can't immediately solve, decide to get up and walk around to see who else is free then start talking for a bit before returning to your desk to find that your hard problem isn't so hard and now you have the solution? Of course, my problem is I WFH, so I end up talking to the kids stuffed animals. They don't really carry on good conversations.

For sure. But that is working. I'm talking about all these stories of trying to prevent their boss from catching them playing games or surfing the web etc. If I did that I would fall way behind the work that needs to get done. That's why I wonder if maybe I'm missing something about other people's work days. Because, not only is it kind of sad, it also seems like actual criminal fraud to lie to people about what you…

Elsewhere, you said “if I know I won’t accomplish anything else, I just go home.” What’s the difference between this and surfing the web? The “lie?” I think folks just don’t want their boss to be confronted by the lack of productivity in that moment. Being at home accomplishes the same thing. But I don’t want to go home, because I’m getting back to work in 10 minutes. And, for that matter, I’m probably putting in some time at home, because I like what I do.

Many managers don’t understand creative work because they can do 70 hrs / week answering emails. Some folks don’t have the option of going home early. Some folks are semi-on-call even though their day-to-day is more as a “solve novel problems” kind of gig.

Calling these kinds of activities lies or fraud really pisses me off, actually. You’re being paid to be a technical creative professional. The optimally productive year looks different for different personalities.

Personally, I oscillate. I tend to have an incredibly strong couple of weeks followed by a week of low productivity. Some people thrive on consistency. I do better when I can get my brain into a semi-manic hyperfocus where my task at hand is literally the only thing I’m thinking about 24/7. That also works nicely when we have an upcoming client engagement, because I’ve learned how to trigger that mentality. That’s not sustainable though. So for other weeks I want to be plugged into the workplace but don’t necessarily expect myself to be ON to the same degree. Surfing on HN or whatever gives me creative juice for the next up-week.

I’m lucky enough to have a boss who understands this dynamic. Even folks that understand themselves well enough to be great in their jobs might still have managers who don’t get it, and punish those downcycles. If the job is otherwise great, that would be a reason to tell that “lie” that, like many white lies, is primarily a social lubricant.

Re: Daytripper

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See also: converting your current Kindle read to plain text and pasting it into your ide or email editor... We need more "plain sight slacking" tips to be on the lookout for, so we can stay vigilant.

I remember back in the day surfing the web in links (and later w3m) over an ssh connection in putty

Oh yeah...or eww within Emacs works like a charm as well :)

Re: Daytripper

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I remember back in the day surfing the web in links (and later w3m) over an ssh connection in putty

Oh yeah...or eww within Emacs works like a charm as well :)

The ssh connection had the bonus attribute of being a secure channel to a server I owned and not subject to logging.

Re: Daytripper

#170

The best kind of "screwing around" is screwing around in plain sight. Once, I had a fresh grad in my team and I had to get him up to speed. I noticed he was taking more than the usual time to do basic tasks, yet whenever I passed by his desk, he had three terminals open and had c++ code here and there and compilation errors on another window. Two months later, he would move to a different company. Turns out that he w…

> Two months later, he would move to a different company. Turns out that he was just practicing his programming skills People sometimes challenge Google's interviewing process as being unnecessarily stringent. What I can say about it is that you won't find BS like this happening at Google.

This is bullshit. Why would any interview process filter out the factors that lead to screwing around, working on other things, or just burnout? They won’t and they can’t, as these are dynamic factors. Also I’m curious as to why you think a white board interview of all things is the deciding factor in at even minimizing this behavior.

A plausible reason why these behaviors are less common at google and Facebook etc is that they are paying much closer to “efficiency wages”.. if you’re working at the typical tech or Corp company you’re probably making shit pay, and why wouldn’t you study to get something better..

Google pays much better than average and is already top resume signaling, there’s just much less incentive to screw around.

Googles process is still not fantastic at filtering for general critical thinking.

Irony: the person referred to in the story may very well ended up at Google.

I know this possibility first hand. I worked for a shit shop nearby a Google office. My own fucking manager did whiteboard practice and ended up at google a few months later.

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