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More brutal than in France? Funny how everyone just moved on about French protests.
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Britain wanted to give HK democracy in the 1960s, but China said they would invade. Britain democratized and/or gave independence to basically every other colony at that time. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/world/asia/china-began-pu...
I already commented on this issue on another post so won't repeat again. Britain never had intention to give democracy to Hong Kong which will require it to make economic contributions to a colony. Their first priority has always been to safeguard their own economic interests. [1] [1] https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1419999...
The facts are MUCH clearer, the Britain has a demonstrated history of moving former colonies to democracy. China does not.
Not sure why this makes the issue Britain's.
What can you do about this? Pretty much nothing. China is the second largest economy in the world, and has the second most powerful military. In addition, what they view as the integrity of China is one of their biggest priorities. In addition, they have always viewed British control of Hong Kong as a national humiliation and are bent on erasing all traces of that memory. The way it stands right now, China can inflic…
> What can you do about this? Pretty much nothing. China is the second largest economy in the world, and has the second most powerful military. While there were certainly issues with TPP[0], it would have given us some options in regards to China which we no longer have. AFAIK, that was a large part of the point of TPP. We could have had Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Si…
You need look no further than Philip Morris v. Uruguay to understand the fundamental absolute danger of investor-state dispute settlement to the people of a country.
As such, it was rightly opposed as it had been poisoned by greed against the people. The TPP was profit over people as a result. They could've opposed china with it, but some western oligarchs would've eventually weaponized it against the people.
Disclaimer: I'm aware tobacco interests were explicitly carved out of the TPP. That doesn't save us from anything else in the future, it just shows the root problem of profit over people remained in the TPP.
How can people in Europe and US help?
By staying out of it. Hongkong belongs to China just as Catalonia belongs to Spain, or California to the US. Imagine China interfering with that.
Spain and California have human rights and the rule of law, but CPC ruled China does not. The CPC is the difference and forms a fundamental difference in the examples you list.
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Just because Hong Kong “belongs” to China doesn’t mean the west should ignore the wishes of what seems like the majority of the population that lives there. Especially when they’re protesting against an anti-democratic authoritarian government, and all they’re asking for is a reduction of police brutality and the right to a democratically elected government.
Though what could we do about it?
Sunshine on the CPC's true nature is the best disinfectant.
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I realized my post was not clear. I 100% support HK protester! I 100% condemn HK police and authorities. Just wanted to point that despite the fact most of us live in democracy, police can act super violently against protestors, and we don't necessarily realize it before it happens. We need to support HK protestor, and also keep fighting for democracy where we live
In a democracy you have recourse when abused by the police. In a dictatorship, police is just a tool of the ruler to control the population.
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Well even though my minority position on this issue will downvote my comment I will still write it. As most on this thread are not willing to talk the real culprit behind this protest which is economic inequality and no hope for future development. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, these protests are manifestation of inherent economic inequality in Hong Kong society. The youth in Hong Kong cannot afford a house. Th…
>> Hopefully they can correct the mistake by granting full citizenship to Hong Kong permanent residents who wants it, otherwise whatever they say is a farce. Same goes for USA, if they want solidarity with Hong Kong protestors grant them unconditional asylum or permanent residence, rest all talks are worthless. This is something we should all be advocating for.
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Though what could we do about it?
Shine light on the brutality and inhumanity of the Communist Party of China to the rest of the world. The CPC tries to keep secret its cruelty, tries to keep secret its concentration camps, tries to silents their people's discussion about the true nature of the CPC, and tries to keep secret its leader's lust to be a new Mao. Sunshine on the CPC's true nature is the best disinfectant.
Franky, HK's struggle looks hopeless to me.
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Everybody wants to live, but some people don’t currently get to. Do you think they will ignore this option just so you can keep living your comfortable life?
But what can we do? Invade China for what they're doing in their own city?