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I found out that my grandfather was a multimillionaire later in life as well, but I would never have guessed because he lives in an inconspicuous house in a middle class neighborhood and drives an inconspicuous car (Honda CR-V). He complains about milk and gas prices like most people and basically just doesn't telegraph his wealth at all (except by buying exclusively Wheaties as his breakfast cereal). He grew up duri…

Maybe this is just me, but I don't actually consider having a couple million dollars as "rich", I know a couple folks worth hundreds of millions, and the way they behave are certainly different.

If you only know person worth $2 million, they're rich. If you know 10 millionaires, the person with $2 mil might not seem so rich to you anymore.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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As far as the fees being so cheap, and every one else guessing about how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation, F. Scott Fitzgerald is relevant: "Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is…

Important qualifier on that that's missed for most "the very rich". The "rich" are often quite penny pinchers. My grandfather is "rich" (several millions, and in a very cheap place to live in the midwest) but he lived his entire life being extremely strict on spending and controlled personal finances very carefully. He still complains when there's large money to be spent on something that should be cheap.

Reminds me of the book, "The Millionaire Next Door". Seems like many of the people who have accumulated wealth tend to be fairly frugal.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important qualifier on that that's missed for most "the very rich". The "rich" are often quite penny pinchers. My grandfather is "rich" (several millions, and in a very cheap place to live in the midwest) but he lived his entire life being extremely strict on spending and controlled personal finances very carefully. He still complains when there's large money to be spent on something that should be cheap.

I found out that my grandfather was a multimillionaire later in life as well, but I would never have guessed because he lives in an inconspicuous house in a middle class neighborhood and drives an inconspicuous car (Honda CR-V). He complains about milk and gas prices like most people and basically just doesn't telegraph his wealth at all (except by buying exclusively Wheaties as his breakfast cereal). He grew up duri…

What are the implications of only buying Wheaties for breakfast? That doesn't scream wealth to me, but I also don't eat breakfast cereals, so have a blind spot.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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As far as the fees being so cheap, and every one else guessing about how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation, F. Scott Fitzgerald is relevant: "Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is…

Naval gazing about what a subset of a subset of people are like, while most of us on HN are mostly still in the global 1% (through nothing more than a birth lottery) doesn't really help anyone and is downright unproductive.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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As far as the fees being so cheap, and every one else guessing about how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation, F. Scott Fitzgerald is relevant: "Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is…

Important qualifier on that that's missed for most "the very rich". The "rich" are often quite penny pinchers. My grandfather is "rich" (several millions, and in a very cheap place to live in the midwest) but he lived his entire life being extremely strict on spending and controlled personal finances very carefully. He still complains when there's large money to be spent on something that should be cheap.

From what I understand, that penny pinching is often why the rich are rich (excluding those born into more wealth than they can spend).

Edit: I'm getting the impression that a large subset of people replying ignored my parenthetical comment.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#136
post #58

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International wire transfers between USD accounts usually cost about $25 regardless of the amount. There's a lot of dollars moving around in the global financial system quickly and affordably, Bitcoin advocates just don't seem to know about it for some reason.

International wires are a bad example because they charge a huge FOREX spread. For a high-ticket transfer, you'd need to use a brokerage for the exchange first, which is also very cheap, but a bit more than $25 ($20 per million at InteractiveBrokers). Then a very cheap domestic wire for the last mile. Or, for small-ticket transfer TransferWise is around 0.85% for the whole exchange.

How is that comparable at all? The original transaction is BTC->BTC. Why are you comparing to a currency exchange?

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#137
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

International wire transfers between USD accounts usually cost about $25 regardless of the amount. There's a lot of dollars moving around in the global financial system quickly and affordably, Bitcoin advocates just don't seem to know about it for some reason.

International wires are a bad example because they charge a huge FOREX spread. For a high-ticket transfer, you'd need to use a brokerage for the exchange first, which is also very cheap, but a bit more than $25 ($20 per million at InteractiveBrokers). Then a very cheap domestic wire for the last mile. Or, for small-ticket transfer TransferWise is around 0.85% for the whole exchange.

Depending on the regions, you can do tricks with your investment account too— Norbert's Gambit is the famous one for cheaply moving a lot of money between USD and CAD:

https://medium.com/young-wild-and-cheap/the-norberts-gambit-...

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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I can count maybe 5 people in the crypto space that would have that much BTC, but none of them would be dumb enough to put it all in one wallet. Most likely some large institutional investor decided to re-key their cold storage wallet.

This is the part which confuses me about Bitcoin the most. It's meant to be anonymous, yet with some diligent data mining, it can become pretty clear who's who from their spending patterns by observing the ledger. How is that remotely anonymous?

if I have a wallet on my computer and send it to your wallet on your computer that would be anonymous.

it's when you connect the transaction to some bank (like, when you transfer from the wallet on your computer to Coinbase where they have your tax ID number, then withdraw to your real-world bank) that it can be so easily traced.

but if you just keep some btc in a wallet and do business out of that it's effectively cash. even if you bought bitcoins on Coinbase then transferred to your local wallet, once it leaves Coinbase the wallet ID itself doesn't have anything tying it to the laptop in your friend's basement in Brazil. from there who knows where it goes, I just bought pizza with it officer idk what the guy who sold me the pizza spent it on

a transaction ledger itself isn't inherently identifiable. otherwise we would know who just transferred $1B+ in this article and not have a bunch of comments wondering who it is lol

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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> how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation No idea about the billionaires, but I can shift £5k from a current account to another current account with another bank for the princely sum of £0.00

Try doing 100K in EUR/USD/GBP... It's likely not free (but probably not outrageous either)... Last time I did something like that the transaction cost was small ( On the flip side, I saw a payment go through for one our suppliers today. $50 invoice. > $25 processing fee because it was a european bank processing a USD transaction. :/

€100k is in fact the limit on the web form for my bank, so at least if that UI is to be believed, it's not substantially more involved than €5k (I don't have personal experience to confirm however).

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#140
wow. So if someone has looked, could you summarize the history of the sending address? (When did it have transactions, etc.)

Also, if someone wanted to turn this into fiat currency over a short but not instant period of time (such as 1 month for example), could they get close to 1,018,147,922 USD or even over 30 days would that diminish the price too much?

(I am thinking for example if an institutional investor early on bought 94,504 bitcoins and "just realized" they have it or something, but only really cared about dollars or their fund is over and they have to pay out the cash or whatever. For whatever reason, if they want cash now.)

Thanks for any expert opinions.

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