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Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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As far as the fees being so cheap, and every one else guessing about how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation, F. Scott Fitzgerald is relevant: "Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is…

> how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation No idea about the billionaires, but I can shift £5k from a current account to another current account with another bank for the princely sum of £0.00

but with bitcoin it's borderless. there are no free int'l wire services.

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> how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation No idea about the billionaires, but I can shift £5k from a current account to another current account with another bank for the princely sum of £0.00

Are you talking about wire transfers? In the US both banks would charge a transaction fee.

Normal ACH (Automated Clearing House) transactions in the US tend to be free. I can move money from one bank to another bank without any fees. It usually takes anywhere from 1-4 days. This is moving US dollars. Not sure what the cheapest way to move USD to EUR is and likely not free.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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> how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation No idea about the billionaires, but I can shift £5k from a current account to another current account with another bank for the princely sum of £0.00

Are you talking about wire transfers? In the US both banks would charge a transaction fee.

SEPA has a fee of 41 euro cents.

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In which case it’s extremely unlikely that you would name another valid address; so your transaction would eventually be invalidated.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik there is no "eventual" invalidation in bitcoin: either the destination address fails the checksum (so nodes immediately reject the transaction), or you send the funds to an (unused) address where they'll sit forever.

If the transaction doesn’t end up in the canonical version of the blockchain (ie the nlockchain still says its unspent), then surely you can transfer it again, no?

Of course if the blockchain does say it was transferred to a nonexistant address then its gone forever. I guess if it passes checksum, this is the likely scenario?

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#126

As far as the fees being so cheap, and every one else guessing about how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation, F. Scott Fitzgerald is relevant: "Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is…

Important qualifier on that that's missed for most "the very rich". The "rich" are often quite penny pinchers. My grandfather is "rich" (several millions, and in a very cheap place to live in the midwest) but he lived his entire life being extremely strict on spending and controlled personal finances very carefully. He still complains when there's large money to be spent on something that should be cheap.

Isn't the problem that rich people are better at accessing the "value" of something...

i.e. if there is no / limited value then it should be cheap...

Is value synonymous with ROI in this case?

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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> how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation No idea about the billionaires, but I can shift £5k from a current account to another current account with another bank for the princely sum of £0.00

Are you talking about wire transfers? In the US both banks would charge a transaction fee.

This is largely dependent on your account type and bank. There are many types of accounts that will not charge for wires or will only charge on one side (incoming/outgoing) of the transaction.

I don't pay outgoing wire transfer fees on my business account.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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> how expensive it would be to do it in a normal banking situation No idea about the billionaires, but I can shift £5k from a current account to another current account with another bank for the princely sum of £0.00

Try doing 100K in EUR/USD/GBP... It's likely not free (but probably not outrageous either)... Last time I did something like that the transaction cost was small ( On the flip side, I saw a payment go through for one our suppliers today. $50 invoice. > $25 processing fee because it was a european bank processing a USD transaction. :/

I can transfer 100k in GBP free too. BACS limit is £250k. Once I exceed that I have to fall to CHAPs which will cost me about £25 and has no limit. Banking is mostly free in the UK.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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I found out that my grandfather was a multimillionaire later in life as well, but I would never have guessed because he lives in an inconspicuous house in a middle class neighborhood and drives an inconspicuous car (Honda CR-V). He complains about milk and gas prices like most people and basically just doesn't telegraph his wealth at all (except by buying exclusively Wheaties as his breakfast cereal). He grew up duri…

Maybe this is just me, but I don't actually consider having a couple million dollars as "rich", I know a couple folks worth hundreds of millions, and the way they behave are certainly different.

It's enough to maintain a swell lifestyle without working. It is meaningfully different than not having enough money to stop working.

That there's people with even more money is true enough.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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This is the part which confuses me about Bitcoin the most. It's meant to be anonymous, yet with some diligent data mining, it can become pretty clear who's who from their spending patterns by observing the ledger. How is that remotely anonymous?

Bitcoin isnt anonymous, and doesn't claim to be. If you want an anonymous currency check out something like Zcash or monero. They use some fancier crypto to obscure transaction inputs and outputs, which gets you a bit farther towards being anonymous.

It's pseudonymous.
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