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Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Re: Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Post by testis321 »

jacobolus wrote: post #125
testis321 wrote: post #64

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> Sorry, but a 60-something "finance" guy with an entourage of teen models doesn't add up. The only problematic thing here is the age of those models. Otherwise, rich people like that are often surrounded with girls of questionable morals and intentions, who do stuff and in return get stuff (some would call it prostitution, some would imply that prostitution had an agreement done in advance...). In some poorer countr…

Yes, in places where there is an extreme power imbalance, with few employment opportunities for the disadvantaged, and no morals or accountability among elites, all manner of scummy things happen. We should strive to ameliorate the conditions in the world that make this happen, so that young women can aspire to being scientists or doctors or businesswomen, instead of some corrupt asshole’s decorative servants.

But what if they don't want to? Or are unable to (too stupid, not too poor)? Why work a 9-5 job, when you can spread your legs every now and then get Louboutin shoes for a present, and a (real) Louis Vuitton handbag, and so on.

And the differences between the countries are not a local power imbalance problem, it's just the amount of benefits (=money) you get for spreading your legs. In a rich 1st world country, the "sponsor" has to earn a lot to make it worth it... but in a poor country, even a freelance coder working for foreign companies can earn enough to sponsor a girl like that, and also have a new-ish BMW (so her friends see her in it) and so on.

But when we get to higher class people, especially older, you suddenly stop calling the rich guy a scummy elite, but call her a trophy wife, especially if the guy is really really old and close to death.

Re: Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Post by ptsneves »

sobani wrote: post #717
paganel wrote: post #653

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Yes, I did actively avoid until now to befriend convicted paedophiles, apparently for people like Ito or Minsky that was too much to ask.

So how do I go about finding out if someone is convicted of anything ? I just googled how to get someone's criminal record and the answer is basically: you can only get your own criminal record, because of privacy. If someone else, for example an employer, wants your criminal record, you have to get it yourself and give it to them. I know a few people who are easily 10x more powerful than I am. In your experience, ho…

You don't. If they require any restricted contact with the general populace they will be either incarcerated or have restraining orders. If you believe the person should forever be in societies debt I guess the death penalty is more practical. (the last sentence is in sarcasm)

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Post by ryacko »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #716
DoctorOetker wrote: post #711

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If a bunch of underage girls were unexpectedly present, and obviously had nothing to contribute regarding artificial intelligence, then 2002 Minsky can only conclude Epstein (as the organizer) welcomed the underage girls, or else Epstein (as the organizer) would have thrown them out. It's on an island, it's not a small town music concert where girls can jump the fence to skip entrance fees... they would literally hav…

to late to edit: "Everybody present must have known what the girls were for." => "Everybody present must have known what the girls were for, including Greg Benford." Did Greg Benford join more of Epstein's conferences afterwards? How is Greg Benford positive it is the same girl or the same event?

You would only know what the girls are for if there were private rooms.

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Post by DoctorOetker »

ryacko wrote: post #723
DoctorOetker wrote: post #716

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to late to edit: "Everybody present must have known what the girls were for." => "Everybody present must have known what the girls were for, including Greg Benford." Did Greg Benford join more of Epstein's conferences afterwards? How is Greg Benford positive it is the same girl or the same event?

You would only know what the girls are for if there were private rooms.

quoting Greg:

>Typical Crap Journalism from NYT:

>>“In a deposition unsealed this month, a woman testified that, as a teenager, she was told to have sex with Marvin Minsky, a pioneer in artificial intelligence, on Mr. Epstein’s island in the Virgin Islands. Mr. Minsky, who died in 2016 at 88, was a founder of the Media Lab in the mid-1980s.”

>Note, never says what happened. If Marvin had done it, she would say so. I know; I was there. Minsky turned her down. Told me about it. SHE SAW US TALKING AND DIDN'T APPROACH ME.

So irrespective if people were at times in private rooms, or at times in public spaces, people got opportunities to witness the presence of these girls. If she could see him, he could see her.

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Post by joewee »

pryce wrote: post #710
joewee wrote: post #704

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He was never convicted of trafficking. And there are no public records that indicate attendees of his events were aware that women were being paid or forced to have sex with attendees. At least try to convict the dead man with facts and not innuendo.

I'm talking about Epstein's 2008 conviction after the in-all-likelihood corrupt plea deal, not his pending 2019 trial.

He wasn’t even charged with trafficking in 2008. Can’t believe I’m getting downvoted.

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Post by joewee »

ryacko wrote: post #712
joewee wrote: post #704

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He was never convicted of trafficking. And there are no public records that indicate attendees of his events were aware that women were being paid or forced to have sex with attendees. At least try to convict the dead man with facts and not innuendo.

The fact pattern for the plea agreement would lead one to conclude that Epstein could have been convicted for trafficking, and there certainly were rumors. It seems as if Epstein and his associates took everything rather lightly, which is something that the criminal justice system does not reward?

We are just now learning facts, many testimonies were sealed. Even the plea agreement was kept from the victims. Many victims are just now becoming aware of the existence of other complaints. Yes he did terrible things, but the full extent wasn’t clear to most people, including the media who continued to interview him after his conviction.

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Post by scoobyyabbadoo »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #656
paganel wrote: post #561

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Marvin Minsky was directly named by one of the victims in documents that were published a couple of days before Epatein’s convenient death, and those documents were mentioning that Minsky had directly sexually profited from an under-age woman. In other words he was a paedophile. I submitted an article detailing all this stuff on the day of Epstein’s death, it had reached the top links of HN in less than an hour but t…

I have also noticed HN mods engaged in blatantly political flagging, probably driven by deference to YC's tech industry pals. My link to the Bloomberg article about all the WeWork CEO's utterly scammy self-dealing shot to #1 on the front page, then was flagged by mods as "dupe" even though another link to the article was nowhere to be found. Totally killed off the discussion.

Let's just be honest here, the only people experiencing fall-out from the Epstein case are not Je-yank

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Post by onemoresoop »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #664
onemoresoop wrote: post #626

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To keep it short it just means pimping, which is illegal

1) Is it illegal to receive donations from pimps? 2) Is "forced suicide" a fair punishment for pimps?

1) I would assume so 2) I have no idea what to say about this. The punishment should have been served by the legal system which as we all know failed the first time around. The forced suicide as you call it is a terrible outcome, lots of important people escaped and sighed relief. We don't know what Epstein would have divulged and now we will never know that.

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Post by InitialLastName »

leetcrew wrote: post #430
InitialLastName wrote: post #419

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> Yet the consensus of 2016 was that he is the only man capable of steering forward a budget of the most valuable country on the face of planet Earth. To be fair, more people who voted didn't think he was the best choice of a person "capable of ..." than thought he was. He only won thanks to a) a quirk of the American electoral system and b) his opponent also being historically unpopular, by nature of having been in…

> He only won thanks to a) a quirk of the American electoral system and b) his opponent also being historically unpopular, by nature of having been in the public eye on one side of the US political system for 25 years. I can certainly agree with b) but a) is not a very useful way of looking at things. if you went back and changed nothing else about the election except making popular vote the win condition, hillary cl…

I agree that it isn't a useful argument, but it makes it difficult to argue that Trump had a majority of Americans thinking he was competent to run the country.

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Post by point78 »

fortran77 wrote: post #642
point78 wrote: post #573

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The keywords in my sentence was "american" and "eastern european" EE is known for sex trafficking young beautiful women and mainly in Europe. That an American has his hands on them is even stranger.

I don't disagree that something didn't appear right here. However, the folks here at Hacker News are only judging these women by their appearance and nothing else. It's not good when an attractive young person visiting MIT is viewed with suspicion because of some prejudice against attractive individuals and youth.

Ah I see now. Yes.
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