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Re: Android 10

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Post by dkonofalski »

snazz wrote: post #374
dkonofalski wrote: post #334

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Because there are some huge, genuinely great benefits to using it. No one really cares that much but, when the difference between the two experiences is as great as it currently is, it really affects the conversation. For example, we don't really pressure friends to buy iPhones but we legitimately have a separate conversation group for just iOS users from the main SMS group chat so we can send images, video, or other…

iMessage sends messages via cell data (or WiFi) too, if that’s what you meant by “dirty data app”.

No, I mean "dirty data" as in all your data is collected and there's very little transparency regarding what those apps/companies are doing with your data. I haven't exhaustively tested all these apps but I have tested a few and know that Apple doesn't send any information or data from iMessage to their servers that isn't encrypted on-device. Unlike these other apps, Apple couldn't leak your data or usage from these apps because it's never collected in the first place.

Re: Android 10

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Post by dkonofalski »

runako wrote: post #395
dkonofalski wrote: post #331

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I don't think that's what's happening here. I think AirMessage is just functioning as an iMessage client by using the Messages app on the Mac as a proxy. It would be no different from sitting physically in front of the computer. You can only read the messages off the screen and you can only send messages through Message itself.

I think we're saying the same thing. :-) I would imagine that the AirMessage Android app is actually in communication with the AirMessage server on your Mac. It uses some automation (perhaps via something like https://github.com/shusain93/OSXMessageProxy ) to talk the the Messages app. The connection is encrypted from there to the other side, as if you were sitting in front of your Mac. This happens in reverse the ot…

Yes, it looks like we are. :)

Re: Android 10

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Post by nineteen999 »

MattSayar wrote: post #478
nineteen999 wrote: post #304

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Not to mention they are still getting updates, I'm installing Android 10 now.

Does it still get regular security updates as well? I read they stop those after a couple years as well.

Mine got all the regular Android 9 security updates up until I installed Android 10, which I suppose is not bad for a phone that was released 3 years ago.

I'll probably replace it soon anyway since the battery life is starting to slip away. That's probably the worst aspect of the phone, since I bought it in Feb 2018.

Re: Android 10

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Post by shpx »

MattSayar wrote: post #478
nineteen999 wrote: post #304

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Not to mention they are still getting updates, I'm installing Android 10 now.

Does it still get regular security updates as well? I read they stop those after a couple years as well.

> Pixel phones get Android version updates for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store.

> Pixel 1/Pixel 1 XL: No guaranteed Android version updates after October 2018, no guaranteed security updates after October 2019.

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705

but I've been running Android 10 for a couple months now, since the beta. Pixels (all of them) are the only phones that could be enrolled in the beta. In general, they get new features first, for example the offline voice recognition in Gboard https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/12/googles-new-voice-recognit...

The new Pixel 3a XL has only slightly better Geekbench scores than the Pixel 1 XL (347 vs 307 respectively), so at least there shouldn't be any performance reasons to not support this phone for another 3 years.

So, officially, not anymore. Unofficially, I'd baselessly speculate for another year? But you're right, I take back my recommendation. Security updates must be guaranteed.

Re: Android 10

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Post by llampx »

kbenson wrote: post #480
Mindwipe wrote: post #461

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> If you install WhatsApp and I don't, and you send a message to my number what happens? You can't, WhatsApp will only let you send to numbers that also have WhatsApp installed. There's an "invite friends" sharesheet that will send a signup URL, but that's it. > If WhatsApp doesn't just work, then it's at a severe disadvantage any way you look at it. Ultimately WhatsApp has won in most of the world, so this clearly i…

> You can't, WhatsApp will only let you send to numbers that also have WhatsApp installed. That's my point. It's a very substandard experience for initial contact to SMS, which is ubiquitous. > Ultimately WhatsApp has won in most of the world, so this clearly isn't that big of a problem. Compared to SMS, WhatsApp is almost nothing. And given that maybe 2-3 people in my family group might have it installed, "won most…

You're coming from an American perspective. In the rest of the world, the battle has been fought and WhatsApp is the winner.

For better or for worse.

Re: Android 10

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Post by unicornporn »

wutbrodo wrote: post #398
unicornporn wrote: post #295

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Hope you have it backed up, because they die sooner or later. For me it was sooner, for my friend it was later. Some soldering problem if I recall things right. A bootloop is the first (and sometimes the last sign).

> Hope you have it backed up, because they die sooner or later Tangential to your point, but is there anything useful that isn't backed up more or less by default in the standard Android workflow? I get that the privacy-concerned wouldn't use eg Google Photos, but they also likely heavily overlap with the set of people savvy enough to set up backup solutions for important data.

I've run Graphene or Lineage without gapps on most phones. So, no auto backups.

Re: Android 10

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Post by viraptor »

dkonofalski wrote: post #509
viraptor wrote: post #362

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The key has to be generated either in the app or on some server. There are no other choices really, unless you use only ephemeral keys - and that gives you secrecy but doesn't validate the other side. (And you can still copy that key) WhatsApp is e2e on all devices since 2016 and uses open whisper, which is the same encryption as signal. Regarding the key - you have to trust the app it doesn't share it with the app a…

>it's true for iMessage as well Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that, according to the security white paper released by Apple, that the key is generated on-device in the Secure Enclave and that Apple never has access to it. The Enclave itself also doesn't have network access so there's no way for that to be transmitted anywhere by any other means except for physical access, which is also limited i…

You still have to trust the app to use the secure enclave and not generate the key in standard code.

Re: Android 10

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Post by dkonofalski »

viraptor wrote: post #517
dkonofalski wrote: post #509

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>it's true for iMessage as well Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that, according to the security white paper released by Apple, that the key is generated on-device in the Secure Enclave and that Apple never has access to it. The Enclave itself also doesn't have network access so there's no way for that to be transmitted anywhere by any other means except for physical access, which is also limited i…

You still have to trust the app to use the secure enclave and not generate the key in standard code.

iMessage does that, though. This has been verified by the jailbreak community and the netsec community.
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