How can people in Europe and US help?
Stay out of it; this is an internal Chinese issue. Imagine if China started trying to help Antifa or alt-right protestors shut down an airport in the US. That kind of interference could lead to war.
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#72What can you do about this? Pretty much nothing. China is the second largest economy in the world, and has the second most powerful military. In addition, what they view as the integrity of China is one of their biggest priorities. In addition, they have always viewed British control of Hong Kong as a national humiliation and are bent on erasing all traces of that memory. The way it stands right now, China can inflic…
If Great Britain, and the rest of the world did not have the will to resist China taking control of Hong Kong in 1985 and 1997 when China was a lot less powerful, a lot less developed
Take a look at a map and you will see the impossibility of defending Hong Kong from China. Even given the technological disparity in the 1980s, the equivalent of the Falklands Task Force couldn’t have done it and the gap was narrowing by the 1990s.
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#73More brutal than in France? Funny how everyone just moved on about French protests.
Remember, this is hacker news. People here love ragging on China, despite the criticism relatively often being hypocritical.
I'm going to support above poster on this one because it's true. Every opinion here that offers an opinion not in support of the protestors seems to be disregarded as a Chinese agent and gets down voted
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well even though my minority position on this issue will downvote my comment I will still write it. As most on this thread are not willing to talk the real culprit behind this protest which is economic inequality and no hope for future development. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, these protests are manifestation of inherent economic inequality in Hong Kong society. The youth in Hong Kong cannot afford a house. Th…
So why haven't the protesters said this is one of their main issues?
Universal suffrage is a great way to get a lot of this changed. If your only choices for CEO are billionaires or their friends, there isn’t much you can do (if you can vote at all).
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#75How can people in Europe and US help?
The entire thing about protestors walking around with us and UK flags is a farce, its messed up and I will never be able to take the protestors seriously if that's what they do. Hong Kong was handed over to the British over the opium war. This was a war where the Chinese people tried to stop the British from selling poison to their population. The loss of Hong Kong was a humiliation, a shame to everyone Chinese. Yet these people wave the British flag during their protest? They'd rather be someone's dog again? I'm sorry but I look down at them, if they don't like Hong Kong then please get out of here
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#76What can you do about this? Pretty much nothing. China is the second largest economy in the world, and has the second most powerful military. In addition, what they view as the integrity of China is one of their biggest priorities. In addition, they have always viewed British control of Hong Kong as a national humiliation and are bent on erasing all traces of that memory. The way it stands right now, China can inflic…
This situation we're in is making me really uneasy. WW2 was preceded by tariffs and a freezing of global trade, which messed up the German economy too much, pushed it into an inflationary debt crisis and eventually created Nazism. Nazism was a response to a perceived foreign threat that "did a lot of damage to our people, and it's time for us to be the best". Say the trade war ends up badly and the Chinese debt bubbl…
> We're all people, please never forget that. The single thing all of us want is not to be drafted into the military and give our lives in a service of some dogma, bleeding out to death on a street in some remote corner of the world.
That’s cool, but I think the people in HK want to live too. If the fear of upsetting someone always prevented us from acting when warranted we wouldn’t get anywhere.
Re: Eyewitnesses describe brutal beatings by HK police
#77What can you do about this? Pretty much nothing. China is the second largest economy in the world, and has the second most powerful military. In addition, what they view as the integrity of China is one of their biggest priorities. In addition, they have always viewed British control of Hong Kong as a national humiliation and are bent on erasing all traces of that memory. The way it stands right now, China can inflic…
This situation we're in is making me really uneasy. WW2 was preceded by tariffs and a freezing of global trade, which messed up the German economy too much, pushed it into an inflationary debt crisis and eventually created Nazism. Nazism was a response to a perceived foreign threat that "did a lot of damage to our people, and it's time for us to be the best". Say the trade war ends up badly and the Chinese debt bubbl…
>We're all people, please never forget that. The single thing all of us want is not to be drafted into the military and give our lives in a service of some dogma, bleeding out to death on a street in some remote corner of the world.
There's a hell of a lot of people out there that would risk their lives for other people's freedom. You might not personally know any (they don't tend to come from the kinds of socioeconomic backgrounds that most of HN comes from) but they're there.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been reading a lot of these comments lately and I will be upfront that I'm highly skeptical of any china arguments on the internet. But I can't help comment on what seems like a large increase in what reads from my perspective as threats e.g. you can't do anything don't fuck with it/us. 'what can you do about this'? I think a lot can be done (and personally more should be done) especially by my government and re…
> possibly armed confrontation as a last resort Please don't even think about starting a global armed war. We're all people here. I want to live.
Everybody wants to live, but some people don’t currently get to.
Do you think they will ignore this option just so you can keep living your comfortable life?
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, I think that that is the case, based on the following elements. 1. Contacts between US consular staff and HK opposition leaders. 2. Funding by the US 'National Endowment for Democracy' of several Hong Kong groups. 3. My observations of the western media coverage of the events in the province of Xianjiang. 4. My observations of the similarities between the events in Hong Kong and other 'colour revolutions' that h…
Would any contact with locals or funding of any organization of any kind that might be sympathetic to the protesters cause be "foreign intervention"? It seems like this is such a low bar that it would mean that nobody else could associate with people in HK without it declared "foreign intervention". Let alone that you could declare just about anything "foreign intervention".
I agree partially. The limits of 'acceptable' foreign intervention are not black and white. My feeling, based on what I observe, is that western intelligence services are all over this. Foreign intervention in Syria and Lybia started quietly enough alright through unofficial meetings with opposition groups. It's obvious that many Hongkongese are legitimately concerned about their political and economic future. Foreign money and promises at just the right moment can be wielded to manipulate people that are more or less well intentioned initially.