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Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by cgriswald »

Gatsky wrote: post #24

Yes ok, it’s a bad batch of juice (probably), it won’t effect most vapers (probably), better regulation will solve the problem (maybe). But I have got to ask... was all the vaping done thus far and into the future worth even one person dying needlessly? It’s cigarettes all over again. Who benefits except the people selling it? Yes freedom, yes whatabout other pointless harmful things in the world, but vaping has alre…

You say, “yes freedom,” as if freedom is a valueless proposition if people use it to do things you consider pointless.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by slau »

moksly wrote: post #34
wp381640 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might also explain why the cases seem confined to the USA and we're not seeing it amongst other large vaping populations like Canada and the UK There are too many fly-by-night and backyard operators in both the device and liquid industries - it is very reminiscent of the prohibition era where people died from bad batches of alcohol I'd really prefer to see a well-regulated industry as vaping is one of the best har…

Are you sure vaping is actually reducing potential harm? Because our national health agency isn’t[1]. As I understand it, a few brands come with a lower risk of certain tobacco induced cancers compared to smoking. Which is harm reduction, I guess, but research is suggesting that all vaping comes with greater risk to the respiratory system and heart. Of course the real issue in evaluating the safety of e-cigerates is…

I’ve stated this before: cigarettes will kill me with a 100% probability (I was smoking over a pack a day).

Maybe vaping will not kill me. Maybe I’ll grow a third arm in 20 years. I don’t know. But I have to play the odds; “100% certainty” vs “maybe not”, I know which one I’m going for.

Also, I’ve gone from 9mg of nicotine to 1mg in 2 years, because vaping allows me to monitor and measure exactly how much nicotine I put in and consume. With cigarettes, I only grew more addicted, never less.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by dieFledermaus »

Gatsky wrote: post #24

Yes ok, it’s a bad batch of juice (probably), it won’t effect most vapers (probably), better regulation will solve the problem (maybe). But I have got to ask... was all the vaping done thus far and into the future worth even one person dying needlessly? It’s cigarettes all over again. Who benefits except the people selling it? Yes freedom, yes whatabout other pointless harmful things in the world, but vaping has alre…

>...was all the vaping done thus far and into the future worth even one person dying needlessly?

This is a reduction to absurdity that I can't quite grasp: People die of all sorts of maladies every year and a single person dying from vaping is your apex priority because, "it could've been prevented by banning vaping"?

This almost seems like a variation of the "won't someone think of the children" argument.

To whit: What of all of the vehicular deaths every year? Or deaths via trains or planes? Should we just ban all life because it will result in death at an astounding success rate of 100%?

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by blablabla123 »

I had an e-cigarette for 1 or 2 years which I used almost exclusively. The benefits were big but charging, changing filter/liquid, buying liquid was a lot of effort. But at some point I had a burning sensation, actually the "smoke" felt really hot already when entering my mouth. I'm quite sure these were technical difficulties because I had a cheap replacement device as I lost the old one. Anyhow, I also had slight pain in my lungs if I remember correctly.

It seems like a very immature technology and I doubt that it is in general dangerous as I know several people that used heavily customized e-cigarettes with self-made liquids for years. The sensation is almost relaxing when using this combination. (Of course these people had become experts on this topic.) But honestly, if one feels pain with anything one should probably stop doing it. (Same with cigarettes, if one feels respiratory problems one should at least pause it. A former boss of mine had that sometimes so he only smoked seldomly and sometimes does pauses of half a year or so. He must be now 60 or so but he's always far away from being a regular smoker.)

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by moksly »

slau wrote: post #43
moksly wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure vaping is actually reducing potential harm? Because our national health agency isn’t[1]. As I understand it, a few brands come with a lower risk of certain tobacco induced cancers compared to smoking. Which is harm reduction, I guess, but research is suggesting that all vaping comes with greater risk to the respiratory system and heart. Of course the real issue in evaluating the safety of e-cigerates is…

I’ve stated this before: cigarettes will kill me with a 100% probability (I was smoking over a pack a day). Maybe vaping will not kill me. Maybe I’ll grow a third arm in 20 years. I don’t know. But I have to play the odds; “100% certainty” vs “maybe not”, I know which one I’m going for. Also, I’ve gone from 9mg of nicotine to 1mg in 2 years, because vaping allows me to monitor and measure exactly how much nicotine I…

I appreciate your optimism about the unknown, but there is the frightening possibility that maybe e-cigerattes will kill you more efficiently than your regular smokes.

If you’re using it as a way to stop completely, then that’s awesome, but all Danish research on the subject has led to vaping being on our “not-recommended” list for ways of helping people quit.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by exDM69 »

cobbzilla wrote: post #28
mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

Reminds me of the old joke about the guy at the fast-food joint: I’ll have a double bacon cheeseburger, a large fries, and a diet coke . Like — why are you buying this totally unhealthy meal and then getting a diet coke? Who are you kidding? Yet — I’ve been that guy. So it’s not so mind boggling.

Some groups like T1 diabetics can not have the amount of sugar in "normal" fizzy drinks. That amount of sugar can cause issues from nausea to messed up glucose levels needing hospitalization. Hamburgers and fries are not a problem (not healthy but not dangerous).

"Diet Coke" is just a stupid name for sugar free drinks.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by TeMPOraL »

cobbzilla wrote: post #28
mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

Reminds me of the old joke about the guy at the fast-food joint: I’ll have a double bacon cheeseburger, a large fries, and a diet coke . Like — why are you buying this totally unhealthy meal and then getting a diet coke? Who are you kidding? Yet — I’ve been that guy. So it’s not so mind boggling.

I've been that guy too. Reason: I like diet coke.

(Possible reason #2: a fat meal with diet coke is still healthier than the same meal with regular coke.)

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by Sean1708 »

rkeniger wrote: post #11
tempsy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say that so far they’ve only seen patients who used THC-based cartridges not nicotine ones. And they suspect it’s caused by some Vitamin E byproduct getting into their lungs.

That's not what the article says at all. It says that they don't know enough yet.

> Reports earlier this week suggested that Vitamin E acetate, a byproduct of the vitamin complex formed during the vaporization process, may be to blame. Delman downplayed this, saying that although they are working with the labs that made that connection, nothing has been established as yet.

> One trend worth noting, however, is that very few of the cases involve only nicotine products; most of the afflicted users reported using THC exclusively or as well as nicotine. This could be the result of many factors, however, so take it with a grain of salt.

So I think you would right to say the way GP phrased it is misleading, but you're definitely wrong to say that it's not what the article says at all.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by m0xte »

mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

You’re not wrong. Lungs are for air. If we came with instructions there would be a page on this.
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