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Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by plugger »

MegaButts wrote: post #16
mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

That's because you can opt out of the former. "No, I won't buy from Starbucks because of their cups. No, I won't eat that because it has GMOs." It's a lot harder to make that commitment when it's the air you breathe - you either have to wear a mask all the time or move away and live in the wilderness.

wut? the conversation is about vaping. your comment makes no sense.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by wp381640 »

milofeynman wrote: post #15

The thing causing this outbreak seems to have been someone using a vitamin e oil to increase the potency of their thx carts up to 95% or so. [0] I also believe they were out of Chicago. Or at least they shipped a lot of carts to Chicago/Illinois and then they spread out from there. But this is just from the cases I've read. Also from today Doctors have identified previously unrecognized characteristic of the vaping-r…

It might also explain why the cases seem confined to the USA and we're not seeing it amongst other large vaping populations like Canada and the UK

There are too many fly-by-night and backyard operators in both the device and liquid industries - it is very reminiscent of the prohibition era where people died from bad batches of alcohol

I'd really prefer to see a well-regulated industry as vaping is one of the best harm reducation methods for the billion or so smokers in the world

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by DuskStar »

MegaButts wrote: post #16
mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

That's because you can opt out of the former. "No, I won't buy from Starbucks because of their cups. No, I won't eat that because it has GMOs." It's a lot harder to make that commitment when it's the air you breathe - you either have to wear a mask all the time or move away and live in the wilderness.

Oooor you can choose not to vaporize things to inhale? This isn't in normal air, it's specifically from vaping

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by Gatsky »

Yes ok, it’s a bad batch of juice (probably), it won’t effect most vapers (probably), better regulation will solve the problem (maybe). But I have got to ask... was all the vaping done thus far and into the future worth even one person dying needlessly?

It’s cigarettes all over again. Who benefits except the people selling it? Yes freedom, yes whatabout other pointless harmful things in the world, but vaping has already caused more harm than we should accept, I think.

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Post by girvo »

Gatsky wrote: post #24

Yes ok, it’s a bad batch of juice (probably), it won’t effect most vapers (probably), better regulation will solve the problem (maybe). But I have got to ask... was all the vaping done thus far and into the future worth even one person dying needlessly? It’s cigarettes all over again. Who benefits except the people selling it? Yes freedom, yes whatabout other pointless harmful things in the world, but vaping has alre…

> was all the vaping done thus far and into the future worth even one person dying needlessly?

If it's saved significantly more than that, there's a decent argument that "yes it might have been".

But that's specifically for nicotine e-cigs, in my opinion. They have a clear harm reduction purpose; slightly less clear when talking about THC carts, I think? Thought I'm likely incorrect about my assumptions on that.

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Post by brennebeck »

Gatsky wrote: post #24

Yes ok, it’s a bad batch of juice (probably), it won’t effect most vapers (probably), better regulation will solve the problem (maybe). But I have got to ask... was all the vaping done thus far and into the future worth even one person dying needlessly? It’s cigarettes all over again. Who benefits except the people selling it? Yes freedom, yes whatabout other pointless harmful things in the world, but vaping has alre…

The people formerly smoking cigarettes that switched have likely benefited quite a bit, or will.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by patientplatypus »

Does anyone have any idea if this is fatal/permanently debilitating or if it is temporary? That would seem kind of important.

EDIT: I guess I meant to say, yes, people have died, but of those that recovered is it a full recovery or a permanent disability?

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by cobbzilla »

mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

Reminds me of the old joke about the guy at the fast-food joint: I’ll have a double bacon cheeseburger, a large fries, and a diet coke.

Like — why are you buying this totally unhealthy meal and then getting a diet coke? Who are you kidding?

Yet — I’ve been that guy. So it’s not so mind boggling.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by tempsy »

rkeniger wrote: post #11
tempsy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say that so far they’ve only seen patients who used THC-based cartridges not nicotine ones. And they suspect it’s caused by some Vitamin E byproduct getting into their lungs.

That's not what the article says at all. It says that they don't know enough yet.

I mean, vaping is not a new thing. And this is contained to the US and not worldwide. Both of those facts should tell us that this is likely an isolated issue, not universal to all e-cigs.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by SkyPuncher »

mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

You're acting like "people" is one cohesive group. I'd largely suspect there's minimal overlap between the GMO group and potent THC vapers.
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