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Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by rkeniger »

tempsy wrote: post #8
jaequery wrote: post #6

They can start by listing what type of or what “brand” of ecigs and cartridges these patients were vaping. I don’t know why they won’t just do that, the public deserves to know that information. Like catching a suspect. And if it is indeed THC related, there’s gotta have some form of traceability in place so it shouldn’t be that hard to find the source of the issue. Something about it all just has a weird vibe to it.

They say that so far they’ve only seen patients who used THC-based cartridges not nicotine ones. And they suspect it’s caused by some Vitamin E byproduct getting into their lungs.

That's not what the article says at all. It says that they don't know enough yet.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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jaequery wrote: post #6

They can start by listing what type of or what “brand” of ecigs and cartridges these patients were vaping. I don’t know why they won’t just do that, the public deserves to know that information. Like catching a suspect. And if it is indeed THC related, there’s gotta have some form of traceability in place so it shouldn’t be that hard to find the source of the issue. Something about it all just has a weird vibe to it.

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Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by rkeniger »

newnewpdro wrote: post #10
mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

Why are you assuming it's the same people? It's not like a majority of the population vapes... while it seems to be at least somewhat popular, it's still very much the minority I see vaping.

Apparently 20% of US high school students vape.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

phnofive wrote: post #3

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0906-vaping-related... CDC’s actual recommendation: “What the public can do While this investigation is ongoing, people should consider not using e-cigarette products. People who do use e-cigarette products should monitor themselves for symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fever) and promptly seek medical attention f…

That's the exact quote that is also in the article ...

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by milofeynman »

The thing causing this outbreak seems to have been someone using a vitamin e oil to increase the potency of their thx carts up to 95% or so. [0]

I also believe they were out of Chicago. Or at least they shipped a lot of carts to Chicago/Illinois and then they spread out from there. But this is just from the cases I've read.

Also from today Doctors have identified previously unrecognized characteristic of the vaping-related respiratory illness that has been emerging in clusters across the U.S. in recent months. Within the lungs of these patients are large immune cells containing numerous oily droplets, called lipid-laden macrophages. [1]

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/5/20851866/cdc-fda-investiga...

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/d17qm9/doctors_hav...

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by MegaButts »

mlindner wrote: post #5

It amazes me people freak out about GMOs and the material Starbucks cups are made out of yet will breathe vaporized chemicals of who knows what sorts directly into their lungs. Mind boggling.

That's because you can opt out of the former. "No, I won't buy from Starbucks because of their cups. No, I won't eat that because it has GMOs." It's a lot harder to make that commitment when it's the air you breathe - you either have to wear a mask all the time or move away and live in the wilderness.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by NicoJuicy »

rkeniger wrote: post #11
tempsy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say that so far they’ve only seen patients who used THC-based cartridges not nicotine ones. And they suspect it’s caused by some Vitamin E byproduct getting into their lungs.

That's not what the article says at all. It says that they don't know enough yet.

It's been discussed here before, the byproduct was some cheapass copy from China ( because the original one was more expensive)

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by mrzool »

“One trend worth noting, however, is that very few of the cases involve only nicotine products; most of the afflicted users reported using THC exclusively or as well as nicotine.“

Looks like this is an issue mainly related to home-brew liquids containing THC.

Edit: care to follow up on your downvotes and maybe post a clarifying comment? I just reported a passage of the article verbatim.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by milofeynman »

jaequery wrote: post #6

They can start by listing what type of or what “brand” of ecigs and cartridges these patients were vaping. I don’t know why they won’t just do that, the public deserves to know that information. Like catching a suspect. And if it is indeed THC related, there’s gotta have some form of traceability in place so it shouldn’t be that hard to find the source of the issue. Something about it all just has a weird vibe to it.

If I have put the pieces together correctly, they were sketchy THC carts that used a vitamin e oil to achieve super high concentrations of THC (95%) or so. Normal THC carts don't have that high of a concentration. I'm guessing some backyard chemist realized they could cram more in using vitamin e oil over the more standard vape oils used (propylene glycol, etc).

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by milofeynman »

rkeniger wrote: post #11
tempsy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say that so far they’ve only seen patients who used THC-based cartridges not nicotine ones. And they suspect it’s caused by some Vitamin E byproduct getting into their lungs.

That's not what the article says at all. It says that they don't know enough yet.

There is definitely a problem with the reporting on this story and the CDCs messaging but it's pretty much happening in real time so not everything is a pretty picture yet.
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