Gombe Chimpanzee War
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Gombe Chimpanzee War
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Re: Gombe Chimpanzee War
#2Along the same lines (but with a different species) the story of the Mapoogo lion coalition is fascinating
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapogo_lion_coalition
It has been made into a fascinating documentary:
Brothers in Blood: The Lions of Sabi Sand
https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Blood-Lions-Sabi-Sand/dp/B07...
(you can also find the video online for free if you search for it)
Re: Gombe Chimpanzee War
#3I would hardly describe a conflict involving a total of 14 adult male chimps a "war".
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#4I would hardly describe a conflict involving a total of 14 adult male chimps a "war".
Then you don't understand chimp culture. Chimps do seriously "go to war" against other tribes. You have to remember that humans killing humans for the sake of "I just don't like you or your friends" is not the norm in the animal kingdom. So yes, it really is a "chimp war", despite their relatively small numbers.
Re: Gombe Chimpanzee War
#5There's a documentary or two of this kicking around on Youtube and elsewhere. Much better than this wiki article.
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#6I would hardly describe a conflict involving a total of 14 adult male chimps a "war".
Why? The mean for Dunbar's number in chimpanzees would be around 60.
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#7I would hardly describe a conflict involving a total of 14 adult male chimps a "war".
Then you don't understand chimp culture. Chimps do seriously "go to war" against other tribes. You have to remember that humans killing humans for the sake of "I just don't like you or your friends" is not the norm in the animal kingdom. So yes, it really is a "chimp war", despite their relatively small numbers.
I'm pretty sure they're objecting specifically to the "relatively small numbers" part; I probably wouldn't call a conflict involving only 14 humans a "war" either, culture or no culture.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then you don't understand chimp culture. Chimps do seriously "go to war" against other tribes. You have to remember that humans killing humans for the sake of "I just don't like you or your friends" is not the norm in the animal kingdom. So yes, it really is a "chimp war", despite their relatively small numbers.
I'm pretty sure they're objecting specifically to the "relatively small numbers" part; I probably wouldn't call a conflict involving only 14 humans a "war" either, culture or no culture.
That's just the size of a chimp "nation", this is like arguing Luxembourg can never go to war because "It has a current strength of approximately 450 professional soldiers" which is obviously far too few for any real scotsmans war.
Re: Gombe Chimpanzee War
#9People are monsters. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNDKyjRz__c
Re: Gombe Chimpanzee War
#10I would hardly describe a conflict involving a total of 14 adult male chimps a "war".
I think you're thinking too much about numbers. Outside of its legal definition, an ongoing conflict between two groups can be considered a war. I think its rather about duration (as opposed to one instance of fighting, which would just be a battle or conflict) rather than how many are involved.