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Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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Don't worry. If the music you listen to is sold in vinyl format at a Walmart, then you're not hipster enough to call yourself a hipster. :P

You misunderstood parent. He is worried that the vinyl format is sold at Walmart. Nobody cares what music is on that vinyl, it's all about the format.

The music matters too - you can only put hit albums from the 60s - 90s next to checkouts for $5 - $10 or the savvy shopper won't recognize they're an audiophile.

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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Is anyone working on a reasonably priced turntable to play vinyl discs without degrading them? In the mid '80s, Finial Technology announced such a turntable, and had a working unit at CES in 1986. It had a stylus that contained laser interferometers that could very accurately and precisely measure the distance from the stylus to the grove walls. It kept the stylus near, but not touching, the groove, getting the audio…

Not being sarcastic but this is very similar to how CDs work...

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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This seems kind of counterproductive for the (I think) vinyl target group. If I listen to vinyl, I want the kinda retro feeling "real" analog audio signal, else I'd just get a CD or online download. A mid-range stylus is completly sufficient for a great experience without any noticable noise and next to no real wear on the records.

> "real" analog Best oxymoron I've seen in a while ("analog" literally means "simulating something else")

Audio recording and reproduction always has to be an analog of the original vibrating air molecules ( unless you can somehow perpetuate that vibrating air by storing it in a jar or somesuch)

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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I don’t really see why you’d need such a thing (apart from marketing to audiophiles—who are willing to pay the buck—or for research/archiving purposes—who are also ready to pay the buck). If you want supreme sound quality you don’t play from a vinyl. A CD (or even FLAC file) will always “sound” better, even from first play. I, at least, don’t really care about the minor degrading my mid-range turn table does to my re…

Disclaimer: I don't actually mean the following seriously. But one almost wonders if you could "play" a vinyl record that came with all the accessories of a vinyl record like sleeve/album art/etc., but the actual audio was coming from a "lip-synced" digital copy. Again :-)

That's been done as a tool for DJs.[1] The vinyl record just has a time code. That feeds into a unit that has the song in a buffer. The time code is used to address the audio data in the buffer.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_emulation_software

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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>physical analog medium (superficial, but has value to some) I dissagree that vinyl medium is superficial. It is different entirely. Vinyl has a unique sound. Dynamic entropy is added during the playback from imperfections, many favor this outcome, not all. Audio sources for vinyl duplication will undergo a seperate mastering process that is taylored for the vinyl version. Even if you do not request another mastering…

You don't think all of those differences can be simulated digitally? I would be curious if people can't be fooled in a double blind test.

The sound is irrelevant. Taking out the record, putting it on a record player, placing the needle, and not being able to skip tracks without effort is a different experience than digital. Simulating the sound differences would be like cars that have the stereo speakers play exhaust sounds. It may sound the same as what you want, but it's inherently fake and viewed as a waste of effort by many.

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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The vinyl groove is about 25-100 micrometer, and feature sizes on it go down to about 22.5 micrometer [1]. Lasers are extremely cheap today compared to what they were back in the day, and doing laser interferometry to detect features this small is not that difficult. I imagine a hobbyist with the right skill set could hack together a reader for a few hundred bucks at most. [1] http://www.gzvinyl.com/About-vinyl.aspx

As I read that summary, feature sizes start at 22.5 µm and go down to 75 nm. As they say, "significantly lower than the wavelength of visible light".

Why does a laser have to work in the visible light spectrum? Lithography lasers have been drawing at 175nm for over a decade.

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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I don't care about physically experiencing musical media. I grew out of that in the 80s when I moved around a lot and had to keep moving multiple boxes of vinyl up and down multiple flights of stairs. If my FLAC collection was on vinyl I'd have to buy it a house of its own. Moving would require a military budget and a series of strategic planning meetings. That would rather more physical experience than I care for.

I'm not saying one should listen to vinyl exclusively , I agree that's ridiculous. But it is important to maintain and curate a physical collection of music -- wthether it's vinyl, CDs, FLAC, or MP3, and that is something that streaming makes impossible.

Important to you. Not me

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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Plenty of steaming services will play entire albums in track order.

How well do they do on albums with no gaps between some tracks?

Spotify used to not handle this well, but now it works perfectly.

They also support special-case DJ playlists for EDM etc: you can listen to the full track if you play it individually, but cue points and fade duration are stored in the playlist metadata such that the cross fade happens at the right point in the song so everything blends seamlessly. As far as I can tell you can’t configure this in user-created playlists though.

Re: Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986

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Is anyone working on a reasonably priced turntable to play vinyl discs without degrading them? In the mid '80s, Finial Technology announced such a turntable, and had a working unit at CES in 1986. It had a stylus that contained laser interferometers that could very accurately and precisely measure the distance from the stylus to the grove walls. It kept the stylus near, but not touching, the groove, getting the audio…

I remember reading an article about somebody 3D-printing vinyls a couple of years ago. It sort-of worked but it wasn't quite there yet. Still, 3D printing technologies improves very fast nowadays so maybe in the not-so-far future it'll make more sense to just print a new vinyl from the master the current one is too badly damaged rather than spend money on a super expensive turntable? In either case I feel like it's s…

Many people swear their subjective experience of the music is better if not digitized. I'm not one of them, but I doubt digitizing vinyl is going to satisfy them. After all, why get the vinyl in the first place?
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