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Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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post #47

It blows my mind that todo list app can be worth $200 million... Then again a chat app is now worth several billion... I don't have any idea of how this works.

Chat app is only worth that with a huge network of users, which is the real value. Anyone can make a chat app. Making a chat app with 100M+ users takes years of effort and luck.

There are other factors. Valuations in tech now depend on our current regulatory and financial environment:

1- Absolutely no real privacy regulation exists in the US, where people's information can be bought and sold freely. (I know there is regulation, but not real regulatory activity means it's de-facto unregulated)

2- There's no anti-trust activity and companies like microsoft, google and facebook can engage in anti-competitive behaviors of all types: buying competitors and closing them to reduce competition (it seems the case with Wunderlist), operate a market and be a participant in it while undermining other market participants using inside information, create a monopoly or oligopoly with no real regulatory costs (aside from a small % of earnings being taxed as 'fines'), actively conspiring to avoid competition for employee salaries, etc

3- Very low interest rates/net negative interest rates for capital holders with opaque and byzantine distribution of newly minted fiat.

4- Zero consequences for undermining democratic institutions by creating revolving doors between regulatory agencies and the companies they are supposed to regulate.

5- Regressive regulatory compliance costs

While the ones who benefit from such an environment would like to make it seem this is the natural state of the economy, it isn't, it's a very new and very strange experiment.

Also, while capital holders would like people to think that the current state of prosperity is caused by our current system of regulatory and financial application, these same people then agree that the greatest advancement in standards of living for the western world happened during the 1920-1960s, a time when the regulatory and financial systems were very different (like a 90% tax on earnings above $50 mill/year (in 2019 money)). So I'd guess we could advance just as well if not better with something more akin to what was then.

I'm hoping our current conditions will not remain over the next 40+ years and some of these valuations will be more in line with traditional P/E ratios.

Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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Anybody using Remember the Milk for their todos ? I used it and loved it.

> Anybody using Remember the Milk for their todos ? I used it and loved it.

Yes, have done for years, but they haven't really implemented many features over the last several years (despite the paid users renewal.) I always wonder if they're out on a beach somewhere just spending the revenue money on margaritas, but...I can't be upset with that. RTM just works, and it's still there.

Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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If you are looking for an alternative todo app that is in it for the long haul, check out Todoist. We have been at it longer than Wunderlist (12+ years), and we will never sell out. As I like to put it, death is my exit strategy. For more thoughts about this, check out https://doist.com/blog/no-exit-strategy/

Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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post #28

What's the point of buying it back, if he can just start another similar company and siphon off many active, disgruntled users? Yeah, you don't get to keep the already registered userbase, or the brand, but I think former users would flock to it if they knew the original people were in charge of this product. Is there something in the contract that they can't start a competing product within X years, but could do a b…

No, they never signed a non-compete (https://twitter.com/christianreber/status/117066071599844966...)

Also building a brand is not too easy (https://twitter.com/christianreber/status/117063845983445811...)

Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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post #11

Please make this a reality. To-Do is a joke compared to Wunderlist. It suffers from the same fate as all MS-built iOS apps: random logouts. I can't convince anyone to use MS apps because the first time they get logged out after an update they just stop using the app.

It does this on Win10 apps as well, inside, before, after. "Please log in"

Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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post #65

If you are looking for an alternative todo app that is in it for the long haul, check out Todoist. We have been at it longer than Wunderlist (12+ years), and we will never sell out. As I like to put it, death is my exit strategy. For more thoughts about this, check out https://doist.com/blog/no-exit-strategy/

How well does the Linux version work?

Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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post #39

I don't understand, why Microsoft is porting features from Wunderlist to their To-Do instead of just shutting down To-Do and add small shiny MS logo to Wunderlist? As far as I can see, WL is more feature rich and has better user base, no?

Wunderlist still runs on AWS. To-Do runs on a Microsoft back-end, including all security features needed for their enterprise (O365) customers..

Re: Wunderlist founder wants to buy his app back from Microsoft

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post #68
post #65

If you are looking for an alternative todo app that is in it for the long haul, check out Todoist. We have been at it longer than Wunderlist (12+ years), and we will never sell out. As I like to put it, death is my exit strategy. For more thoughts about this, check out https://doist.com/blog/no-exit-strategy/

How well does the Linux version work?

There are 2 unofficial and open source Linux clients:

- http://todoistlinux.hakimouake.com/

- https://github.com/KryDos/todoist-linux

There are also various command line clients, e.g.: https://github.com/sachaos/todoist

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