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What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

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Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#31
There are now 3 positions in american discourse on climate change:

1. It's not happening / not real

2. It's happening and we can still prevent it

3. It's happening and it's worse than we all think

Externalities aren't correctly priced into our market and we're suffering the consequences.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#32
post #25

It appears that we have already given up. Efficient, low-carbon-emitting natural gas power plants have been replacing coal-fired plants in the USA, largely due to cheap and abundant fuel extracted via fracking. If that were important, we would not be discussing bans on fracking.

They're only efficient and low-cabon if you compare them to coal, not if you use basic sanity that building any kind of new fossil infrastructure is madness.

Even the low carbon of fracking is questionable given methane leaks.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#33
post #28
post #23

1. Even if we can't completely prevent it, we can stop it from being much worse. 2. Regardless of the climate changer factor, polluting the air causes cancer, damages ecosystems, harms our food supply, etc. The mentality of "we can't prevent it, so why bother trying" is like accidentally shooting yourself in the foot, and when finding out it'll have to be amputated, proceeding to shoot your other foot because "what's…

Did you read the article? That's not what it's about at all. The author is saying that we aren't going to "stop" climate change. So instead we should be strategizing how to proactively invest in systems (both natural and man-made) to make them more resilient in the face of changes to come.

Which all conveniently line up with one major political platform. "If you frightened by the coming climate cataclysm, then you should also agree with me on everything."

It's very well-written, but it's not rational. The content is more political than scientific.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#34
post #8

The thing is, it's already too late to prevent pretty terrible effects of climate change, but it's not too late to stop it from getting even worse . Every tenth of a degree can make a world of difference. So while we will most certainly not stay below 1.5°, the difference between 2 and 3 degrees is huge, and the efforts we make today decide in what world we'll live in. Resigning to the inevitable now is a surefire re…

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Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#35
post #23

1. Even if we can't completely prevent it, we can stop it from being much worse. 2. Regardless of the climate changer factor, polluting the air causes cancer, damages ecosystems, harms our food supply, etc. The mentality of "we can't prevent it, so why bother trying" is like accidentally shooting yourself in the foot, and when finding out it'll have to be amputated, proceeding to shoot your other foot because "what's…

The survival of our technological civilization is very much uncertain. It has been since the nuclear age. If someone wanted to take meaningful action, they would be sinking container ships. In aggregate, they contribute to more pollution (of all kinds), than most singular countries. Nobody is going to war over this, so it's inevitable. If it's inevitable, it's not healthy to pretend otherwise. The earth will survive, humans will survive, and maybe technological action will allow us to terraform the earth in a different or unexpected way (eg Snowpiercer).

This "debate" about what to do is always toothless and desperate and pointless until the death toll starts to mount. Even then, the wealthy will make the same old arguments about irresponsibility and willful ignorance of those with nothing, blaming the victims, which seems to work generation after generation...until finally we get multinational instability and with smaller populations, some semblance of change too late (eg states of the USSR) to recover from the devastation. What's the mini-state of lower california going to do about 150 degree weather and no water? Nothing.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#36
post #5
post #2

Really disheartened that it will hit during my lifetime. Had hoped to dodge it, really. How do you, as an individual, prepare for this?

Suicide is a good option

Collective suicide by climate change? At least you won't feel left out.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#37
post #2

Really disheartened that it will hit during my lifetime. Had hoped to dodge it, really. How do you, as an individual, prepare for this?

Don't have kids unless your dream is for them to suffer and live with a steadily declining quality of life from their childhoods. Try to get rich enough before the worst effects become widespread that you can buy your way out of some of it.

I upvoted you, because as cynical as your comment may be, I believe yours is the most rational approach.

I believe that in our lifetime we will see the western countries effectively barricade their borders. When an unannounced ship approaches with desperate human beings on board, fleeing the wars, we won't be even allowed to think about accepting them. The ships will be, not stopped and turned around, but torpedoed and sunk on sight. The corpses will be harvested for feed and fertiliser.

From that point onwards, in another couple of generations, there won't be any sanctuaries left. Not even for the richest. They will all have been overrun, pillaged and plundered.

My only consolation is that I am old enough to not necessarily witness all of it.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#38
I have heard meat-eating car-drivers push this line of thinking for at least two decades. You know the sort of person: willing to rag on the republicans or the Koch brothers for being bad, but ultimately unwilling to do anything except moan about how it is all too hard.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#39
post #8

The thing is, it's already too late to prevent pretty terrible effects of climate change, but it's not too late to stop it from getting even worse . Every tenth of a degree can make a world of difference. So while we will most certainly not stay below 1.5°, the difference between 2 and 3 degrees is huge, and the efforts we make today decide in what world we'll live in. Resigning to the inevitable now is a surefire re…

But would there be a difference between 5 and 6?
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