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What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

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Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

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Post by ForHackernews »

yyyk wrote: post #9

"Some climate activists argue that if we publicly admit that the problem can’t be solved, it will discourage people from taking any ameliorative action at all... But the impending catastrophe heightens the urgency of almost any world-improving action... these are all meaningful climate actions" 1) Argues that giving up hope does not mean the end of attempts to ameliorate warming. 2) Proceeds to define 'climate action…

No meaningful action is being taken on climate change: https://climateactiontracker.org/

How is this article's position going to make that worse?

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#12

Post by adrianN »

ForHackernews wrote: post #11
yyyk wrote: post #9

"Some climate activists argue that if we publicly admit that the problem can’t be solved, it will discourage people from taking any ameliorative action at all... But the impending catastrophe heightens the urgency of almost any world-improving action... these are all meaningful climate actions" 1) Argues that giving up hope does not mean the end of attempts to ameliorate warming. 2) Proceeds to define 'climate action…

No meaningful action is being taken on climate change: https://climateactiontracker.org/ How is this article's position going to make that worse?

It ensures that no meaningful action will be taken in the next years either.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#13

Post by adrianN »

ggreer wrote: post #10
ummonk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Primarily, make sure you live at elevation (i.e. > 20 feet). Also helps if you've got temperate or cool local weather, so it doesn't get unpleasant decades from now.

The most pessimistic IPCC projections estimate a 1 meter rise in sea level over the next century. For comparison sea level rose by 20cm in the past century.

The IPCC might underestimate: https://phys.org/news/2019-08-scientists-evidence-high-level...

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#14

Post by ForHackernews »

adrianN wrote: post #12
ForHackernews wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No meaningful action is being taken on climate change: https://climateactiontracker.org/ How is this article's position going to make that worse?

It ensures that no meaningful action will be taken in the next years either.

How are you so sure of that?

We've been trying it your way for 40 years and gotten nowhere https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/c5rjs2/its_that_eas...

Maybe telling everyone the truth at this late stage will produce some kind of meaningful reflection. Even it doesn't, it'll still just be the status quo.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#15

Post by ganzuul »

tormeh wrote: post #2

Really disheartened that it will hit during my lifetime. Had hoped to dodge it, really. How do you, as an individual, prepare for this?

Changed careers to something society can't do without. Hoping they will pick the machinist over the instagram model for the space ark.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

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Post by ummonk »

ggreer wrote: post #10
ummonk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Primarily, make sure you live at elevation (i.e. > 20 feet). Also helps if you've got temperate or cool local weather, so it doesn't get unpleasant decades from now.

The most pessimistic IPCC projections estimate a 1 meter rise in sea level over the next century. For comparison sea level rose by 20cm in the past century.

Tides, hurricanes etc. tend to result in flooding somewhat above sea level already. 20 feet is probably still overly pessimistic but I'm just erring on the conservative side.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

tormeh wrote: post #2

Really disheartened that it will hit during my lifetime. Had hoped to dodge it, really. How do you, as an individual, prepare for this?

Basic stuff. Learn horticulture, soil science. Understand whether or not your area is viable for a sustainable settlement and move along if it's not. Best to do all your moving while you can still afford to drive.

Do exercise, strength training, cardio. Bodyweight stuff or yoga is great for everyday life activities. How far can you carry 60 pounds of supplies and equipment?

Make friends, obviously.

Learn how to resolve conflict non-violently. You and everyone else will constantly be running into conflicts and someone is going to have to remember how to meet everyone's needs without killing people.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#19

Post by ggreer »

adrianN wrote: post #13
ggreer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most pessimistic IPCC projections estimate a 1 meter rise in sea level over the next century. For comparison sea level rose by 20cm in the past century.

The IPCC might underestimate: https://phys.org/news/2019-08-scientists-evidence-high-level...

Nowhere in that article are timelines mentioned. Yes sea levels will continue to rise, but it will take over a thousand years to melt the ice caps.

Re: What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can be stopped?

#20

Post by jacobwilliamroy »

29athrowaway wrote: post #16

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Mad max apocalypse would only last, like, 15 years max. Can't keep feeding people to the pigs (sus scrofa domesticus) forever. It really seems like there is something about humanity that is being selected out of the ecosystem. My guess is the over-reliance on physical violence and emotional abuse to maintain group structures.
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