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Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by onion2k » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:32 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #27

onion2k wrote: post #22

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This is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

Countries have different belief systems and thus are different. The U.K. has a queen, with the best real estate in the country set aside for personal use. While that seems really inefficient to me as a Frenchperson, I understand that British people like it. I’ve categorized this in the category of things that I’ve noticed but am not interested in enough to work toward the explanation, but if I ever learn it I’ll rema…

The U.K. has a queen, with the best real estate in the country set aside for personal use.

Most of the state-owned "crown estates" land is open to the public.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by rayiner » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:34 PM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #22

the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

This is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

The US is much more dangerous than the U.K. Our murder rate is 10x higher. Besides that, there is a lot more rural land in the US, which makes hunting and defending against wild animals a real thing. Besides that, using guns to overthrow our government is kind of our shtick. We didn’t wait for Britain to up and decide to let us be independent when Britain felt like it.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by onion2k » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:35 PM UTC

otakucode wrote: post #28

onion2k wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

The primary reason for a need for guns is to retain the ability for a violent uprising to overthrow an oppressive regime should one arise. One of the benefits of the American system is that it does not assume infinite beneficence and eternal benevolence on the part of the governing body. This is wise because we know history. It doesn't make sense to fear being shot simply because many people own guns. If it did, then…

Do those Americans who believe they need guns to form a militia genuinely think they could take on the US military in the need arose? In a battle between a thousand guys with AR-15s against a single M1 Abhrams tank my money would be on the tank.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by rayiner » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:36 PM UTC

acollins1331 wrote: post #16

knob wrote: post #10

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Addressing specifically your two points: -fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. Internal malfunction? Greasy finger(s)? Gloves? Dirt? Dust? People whose fingerprints are really hard to print? - determjne how often/when they are taken out of the house: talking specifically about the USA, that is a gross over-reach of the government (local + federal) via registration. A central database with who h…

Dude, I'm pro gun but to deny that taking away guns wouldn't fix it is dumb. All the other countries that don't have lots of guns have way less gun deaths. Period. People here may not consider taking away all the guns possible or preferable, but it would work if implemented.

Those other countries had way less homicides before anyone invented gun control.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by king_magic » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:40 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #39

king_magic wrote: post #20

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I agree that no fly lists are a bit much, but I’m 100% in favor of red flag laws. RE: red flag laws, I don’t see them rising to the level of thought crime. For example, I do not think it is unreasonable to use a legal process involving a judge to take away guns (either temporarily or permanently) from unstable people who are making thinly veiled threats. Society should have that right, and I for one fully support it.…

Saying it louder doesn’t make the point less ridiculous. Mass shooting deaths have never exceeded 80 per year. Nobody is panicked about West Nile fever anymore, but it still causes 100+ deaths per year. You’d think engineers would be resistant to such blatant emotional manipulation, but I guess not.

Your numbers are simply not accurate. And equating this to mosquito-borne disease is not reasonable. Mosquitoes aren’t being radicalized by the far right, they aren’t living in an increasingly polarized society, and they certainly don’t blow orange size exit wounds in people.

*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by mlvljr » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:41 PM UTC

braythwayt wrote: post #35

AstralStorm wrote: post #33

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I think this is a Judge Dredd reference, is that correct?

You youngsters! It’s a Westworld reference. No, not the television show. The original 1973 Yul Brynner picture.

Is it? ED-209 was in Robocop.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by mcny » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:41 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #39

king_magic wrote: post #20

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I agree that no fly lists are a bit much, but I’m 100% in favor of red flag laws. RE: red flag laws, I don’t see them rising to the level of thought crime. For example, I do not think it is unreasonable to use a legal process involving a judge to take away guns (either temporarily or permanently) from unstable people who are making thinly veiled threats. Society should have that right, and I for one fully support it.…

Saying it louder doesn’t make the point less ridiculous. Mass shooting deaths have never exceeded 80 per year. Nobody is panicked about West Nile fever anymore, but it still causes 100+ deaths per year. You’d think engineers would be resistant to such blatant emotional manipulation, but I guess not.

Neil Degrasse Tyson tried to use reason. You can't use reason when it comes to things like this. Sure, on a macro level guns kill fewer people than cars do but there are smart people working hard to try to prevent deaths by cars*.

Sure, we could and should do better. For example, why doesn't any SUV come standard with built in car seats in the back for infants and children? I watched a ted talk from back in 2009 which asked this question but humans are irrational. They think clearly little Billy is safer if we spend $599 for a car seat.

If humans were immune to emotional manipulation then Google stock would crash because basically any advertising is emotional manipulation I think.

CBS quotes:

Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson is facing criticism for a tweet comparing the number of people killed in two mass shootings this weekend to those who died in other ways during the same amount of time. Some perceived the tweet as insensitive, as at least 29 people were left dead and dozens injured in the wake of the tragedies.

"In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings," Tyson wrote Sunday afternoon. He then compared the "average" number of people who die in other ways across "any 48hrs."

"On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose… 500 to Medical errors, 300 to the Flu, 250 to Suicide, 200 to Car Accidents, 40 to Homicide via Handgun," he reasoned. "Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data."

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by king_magic » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:46 PM UTC

MiroF wrote: post #40

king_magic wrote: post #20

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I agree that no fly lists are a bit much, but I’m 100% in favor of red flag laws. RE: red flag laws, I don’t see them rising to the level of thought crime. For example, I do not think it is unreasonable to use a legal process involving a judge to take away guns (either temporarily or permanently) from unstable people who are making thinly veiled threats. Society should have that right, and I for one fully support it.…

> Equating mass shootings to basically the “well, terrorism is so rare you’re more likely to get crushed by your TV” scare tactic argument isn’t really fair. I’m sorry, 283* mass shootings in one year in one country is absolutely insane. It’s not a scare tactic, this is quite literally a mass shooting crisis. Want to take a stab at how likely it is that you are in a school shooting, even if there were 280 shootings i…

So basically: because the chance is statistically fairly low, let’s abdicate our responsibility to reduce the already absolutely insane number of mass shootings we have in this country, a problem that absolutely no other country has? That may not be exactly what you’re saying, but that’s the conclusion people are drawing here.

Real solid leadership.

By that same logic, let’s go bust out the 737 MAX’s! Hey, they only killed a few hundred people. But nah, must not be that big of a problem.

Come on.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by mcny » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:52 PM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #43

otakucode wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary reason for a need for guns is to retain the ability for a violent uprising to overthrow an oppressive regime should one arise. One of the benefits of the American system is that it does not assume infinite beneficence and eternal benevolence on the part of the governing body. This is wise because we know history. It doesn't make sense to fear being shot simply because many people own guns. If it did, then…

Do those Americans who believe they need guns to form a militia genuinely think they could take on the US military in the need arose? In a battle between a thousand guys with AR-15s against a single M1 Abhrams tank my money would be on the tank.

If there was a genuine need for such an uprising, I'd hope there would be people within the government and the military willing to support us.

I wouldn't want to be in the tank killing civilians because "I was following orders" won't work when all is said and done.

My understanding is that guns are not the main source of resistance against tyranny. It is the fact that an economy as complex as ours requires broad participation by many people with specialized skills. A dictator can't run the economy simply by mining blood diamonds or crude oil here. I imagine you need the backing of at least twenty percent of the population.

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Post by rayiner » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 12:59 PM UTC

king_magic wrote: post #45

rayiner wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying it louder doesn’t make the point less ridiculous. Mass shooting deaths have never exceeded 80 per year. Nobody is panicked about West Nile fever anymore, but it still causes 100+ deaths per year. You’d think engineers would be resistant to such blatant emotional manipulation, but I guess not.

Your numbers are simply not accurate. And equating this to mosquito-borne disease is not reasonable. Mosquitoes aren’t being radicalized by the far right, they aren’t living in an increasingly polarized society, and they certainly don’t blow orange size exit wounds in people. * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

You’re right, I was looking at a chart through 2016. Looks like about 120 this year. Still, the average is under 80 over the same period over which west Nile killed 100 per year on average. And the peak this year is still below the 284 killed by west Nile in one year.