Earlier quoted context omitted.
Proficiency? What? He says "Researchers have settled on what they believe is the magic number for true expertise: 10,000 hours" True expertise is not mere proficiency.
There are also statements of him saying he never said it makes an expert. Maybe he's lying?
Malcolm Gladwell's famous 10k hour rule isn't holding up in new research
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#52> But according to a new study published in Royal Society: Open Science that attempted to replicate the findings of the original, practice alone doesn't account for mastery. In the study, deliberate practice only accounted for a quarter percentage of the skills difference, which doesn't account for what makes someone an expert.
> Brooke Macnamara, a psychologist at Case Western Reserve University, and researcher Megha Maitra interviewed three groups of 13 violinists, each rated as less accomplished, good, and best. The violinists were told to keep a diary to log practice hours, and those hours were then tallied. While the less accomplished violinists had logged an estimated 6,000 hours by age 20, the good and best had both logged around 11,000 hours.
> That is to say: The good and best violinists saw no huge difference, as opposed to the not so good violinists, who didn't practice as much. The implication: practice didn't account for all the differences in performance.
And the abstract:
> We sought to replicate Ericsson, Krampe & Tesch-Römer's (Ericsson, Krampe & Tesch-Römer 1993 Psychol. Rev.100, 363–406) seminal study on deliberate practice. Ericsson et al. found that differences in retrospective estimates of accumulated amounts of deliberate practice corresponded to each skill level of student violinists. They concluded, ‘individual differences in ultimate performance can largely be accounted for by differential amounts of past and current levels of practice’ (p. 392). We reproduced the methodology with notable exceptions, namely (i) employing a double-blind procedure, (ii) conducting analyses better suited to the study design, and (iii) testing previously unanswered questions about teacher-designed practice—that is, we examined the way Ericsson et al. operationalized deliberate practice (practice alone), and their theoretical but previously unmeasured definition of deliberate practice (teacher-designed practice), and compared them. We did not replicate the core finding that accumulated amounts of deliberate practice corresponded to each skill level. Overall, the size of the effect was substantial, but considerably smaller than the original study's effect size. Teacher-designed practice was perceived as less relevant to improving performance on the violin than practice alone. Further, amount of teacher-designed practice did not account for more variance in performance than amount of practice alone. Implications for the deliberate practice theory are discussed.
Re: Malcolm Gladwell's famous 10k hour rule isn't holding up in new research
#53Gladwell had a chapter in his book Outliers called "Rice Paddies and Math Tests" where he claims that "Asians are good at math" because rice is hard to grow. The man is obviously an intellectual sham.
First was that Asian children, at least those who speak languages that function this way, grok the concept of addition faster than their Western counterparts because the counting systems are extremely regular, so they pick up on the patterns easier because 11 isn't the arbitrary "eleven" instead it's simply "ten one".
Second was success in math is in part a function of perseverance. Impossible problems were given to groups of kids and something like the American kids gave up after 9 minutes on average and the Japanese kids gave up after 14 minutes on average. My memory is fuzzy on the details but that particular metric correlated really well iirc. Been a long time since I read it.
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#54One of my favorite outcomes from this was Dan Mclaughlin's attempt at becoming a pro-golfer[1] which he called "The Dan Plan". What I found really interesting was that how you practice is so important and how we often get it wrong. When I think about things I've picked up mastery in over the years and things which eluded me, I see a lot of similarities. Mastery for me comes from varying the activities, not from rote…
The Pros identify the specific scales and short sections of pieces they hit problems with, and focus almost all their practice on those tricky parts. As a result they get as much as 10x or 20x or more utility from the time they spend on it.
Re: Malcolm Gladwell's famous 10k hour rule isn't holding up in new research
#55One of my favorite outcomes from this was Dan Mclaughlin's attempt at becoming a pro-golfer[1] which he called "The Dan Plan". What I found really interesting was that how you practice is so important and how we often get it wrong. When I think about things I've picked up mastery in over the years and things which eluded me, I see a lot of similarities. Mastery for me comes from varying the activities, not from rote…
On how to practice, I read once about the difference in the ways good amateur pianists practice and how top professionals typically practice. The amateurs will practice all their scales and pieces from start to finish by rote every day. The Pros identify the specific scales and short sections of pieces they hit problems with, and focus almost all their practice on those tricky parts. As a result they get as much as 1…
In other words, is it necessary to go through the rote work of practicing basics before becoming a pro? I would guess the answer is yes.
It would be far more telling to track many people, from beginner through their musical (in this case) careers, and determine who became pro and who didn't, and what their practice was like throughout.
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#56Gladwell's most famous book, 'The Tipping Point', suffered a similar fate. It was largely predicated on the 'broken window theory' [1] which too was proven not to be valid [2]. After his book 'David and Goliath' received numerous bad reviews for oversimplifying things and pinning causes on things that don't make sense, Gladwell lashed out at his critics and basically said that his books are not written for experts. […
To me Tipping Point is a kindergarten-level version of Chaos Theory. It was so bad I could not finish it. He is a fair story teller but is closer to opinion than non-fiction. He says if his books are too simplistic for you, don't read them. I am also likely to tell friends and family to not read them.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the debates I'm surprised to have with my friends is: some of them will parrot Gladwell-style advice (truisms that claim to come from science). I will say, "That didn't replicate." They'll say, "Well it's a good idea anyway." And then I'll say some long thing about how when you're giving someone advice, you should hold yourself to a higher standard, not a lower one . Especially if you're an institution.
If you're competing in an area where other competitors spend 10k hours before they compete, you better practice. We didn't really need a study to tell us that, but people feel it adds something to say that science has "proved it". That's why if you point out the study was BS, it doesn't matter, because it was just a supporting detail for the point they wanted to make anyway. Practice.
Re: Malcolm Gladwell's famous 10k hour rule isn't holding up in new research
#58Gladwell had a chapter in his book Outliers called "Rice Paddies and Math Tests" where he claims that "Asians are good at math" because rice is hard to grow. The man is obviously an intellectual sham.
What I took away from that chapter was two things. First was that Asian children, at least those who speak languages that function this way, grok the concept of addition faster than their Western counterparts because the counting systems are extremely regular, so they pick up on the patterns easier because 11 isn't the arbitrary "eleven" instead it's simply "ten one". Second was success in math is in part a function…
Gladwell never defines Asian, instead shifting between definitions that rely on nationality (cherrypicked test scores from a number of well-off Northeast Asian countries), language (where he brings up the Chinese counting system used only in some but not all Asian Languages), and ethnicity (where he compares Asian-American children to other American children, many of whom share little to no commonalities with the former two groups). He uses the classic tactic of generalizing these three groups as one through the nefarious concept of "culture", which is poorly defined and can not objectively measured.
He then makes the claim that "Asians" are "better at math" without backing up the point with anything other than cherrypicked standardized test scores.
Aside from that, he only shows vague correlations without ever proving causation in any rigorous way. Even if the Chinese counting system leads to a faster understanding of arithmetic, Gladwell does not prove that this leads to significantly better math performance. Likewise, he simply claims without any solid proof that growing rice is more difficult than wheat (what units do you measure that in?), or that this increased difficulty would actually provide enough pressure to create a "culture of perseverance" (again, what objective units do you measure that in?).
Individual claims in Gladwell's writing may be true, but they never connect together in any rigorous way to prove the claims he tries to make.
Re: Malcolm Gladwell's famous 10k hour rule isn't holding up in new research
#59One of my favorite outcomes from this was Dan Mclaughlin's attempt at becoming a pro-golfer[1] which he called "The Dan Plan". What I found really interesting was that how you practice is so important and how we often get it wrong. When I think about things I've picked up mastery in over the years and things which eluded me, I see a lot of similarities. Mastery for me comes from varying the activities, not from rote…
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of this is unsurprising, given Gladwell's process: 1. Take research findings in psychology, sociology, etc., all fields which are having big replication problems. 2. Pick out findings that are surprising enough to write a pop-science book about. These are less likely to be true -- that's why they're surprising. 3. Oversimplify for popular consumption, sound very confident, and omit things that don't fit the story…
Yup, Gladwell also wrote how “Korean culture” was the reason for the Asiana 214 plane crash. What I find interesting is that people who discount most of Gladwell’s theories, will oftentimes agree with others, as long as it confirms their own biases.