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Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

moron4hire wrote: post #59

My mother works in the non-profit fundraising sector, originally centered on education, but now runs her own consultancy for non-profits of all sizes. She knows pretty much all the rules and laws about donations and propriety within fundraising foundations. I've helped her with her business, both in actual operations and for her IT concerns. I've also worked in other regulated industries, so I have a fair amount of f…

What are some examples of things where you can get fined or put in jail for what lay-people might consider an honest mistake?

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Post by coldtea »

cwyers wrote: post #173
coldtea wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, I don't get it. Somebody having assistants who look like models and are from Eastern Europe is suspicious of trafficking women? How? Why? In that it's extremely common. In the gritty real world, people know of such guys and what they do. Many have personality men such gentlemen and their entourages (of course most not at the level of Epstein, but frequent some circles in Eastern Europe, Russia, Paris, London…

I live in Iowa and was an Eagle Scout and can figure out what the point of the anecdote was just fine, thanks.

Yeah, sorry about that. Couldn't you figure out that I was talking about the proverbial Iowa and boy scout (e.g. "not a worldly type"), and not necessarily the actual one?

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Post by spraak »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #138

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It's hard to read your position here. I agree that many people would let greed overcome them, but you seem to actually be saying that's not a problem, and even going as far as saying that allegations of rape are being manufactured for drama. Not good

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Post by googlryas »

coldtea wrote: post #188
oh_sigh wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to assume you meant to reply to someone else in some other thread, because otherwise this is just a massive non-sequitur.

He basically says that one can use critical thinking to "tell the difference" between the two categories, which is hardly a non-sequitur.

Is the critical thinking "Epstein did bad things. Therefore, everything Epstein did was bad"?

Critical thinking can tell you there is a higher chance the women were sex trafficked considering the employer and his immoral proclivities. It can't tell you if they actually were or not.

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Post by matz1 »

rosser wrote: post #152
matz1 wrote: post #145

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Sorry let me rewrite that, hanging out with child trafficker doesn't mean normalizing child trafficking. What makes Child trafficking normal is if the law enforcement doesn't do anything.

Please take some effort to improve your understanding of the notion of "social norms", how they're enforced, and how they evolve. I promise you, a person in a position of prestige or power openly, willingly associating with — even benefiting from — someone who is known to have committed a transgressive act is definitional of normalization.

Normalization of what ?

1. Normalization of the act of associating with someone that commit transgressive act

or

2. Normalization of the transgressive act itself

I agree with the first one but not the 2nd one.

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Post by m_ke »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #138

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I went on vacation to St Maarten around 2010 and when we were getting off of the plane Epstein's private jet landed. We were wondering who it was so we asked a group of people who were working at the airport and they told us that it's Epstein, a pedophile billionaire who keeps flying in to have sex with underage girls on his private island. Given their nonchalant response it seemed like it was common knowledge on the islands.

We asked our taxi driver about it on the way to the hotel and he knew about it too.

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Post by wheels »

mulmen wrote: post #175
wheels wrote: post #161

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Really? My wife and I see it often enough that we've even labeled it: "the wife or daughter game". You observe such a constellation and try to figure out which one it is. Less often the answer is "escort".

How do you validate your assumptions to ensure your mental model is correct?

Different levels of physical affection often make it clear. Put another way: you can't always rule out wife. You can often rule out daughter. But we also don't particularly care about being accurate all the time.

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Post by coldtea »

nf8nnfufuu wrote: post #177
coldtea wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, I don't get it. Somebody having assistants who look like models and are from Eastern Europe is suspicious of trafficking women? How? Why? In that it's extremely common. In the gritty real world, people know of such guys and what they do. Many have personality men such gentlemen and their entourages (of course most not at the level of Epstein, but frequent some circles in Eastern Europe, Russia, Paris, London…

Having young girl-friends is not the same as sex trafficking, though, or is it? I thought sex trafficking would be luring girls out of their country with false promises, then burning their passports so that they can't flee. I wouldn't consider it overly weird if rich guys have young girl-friends. Maybe it is just because Hollywood has groomed me to expect it, I don't know.

>Having young girl-friends is not the same as sex trafficking, though, or is it? I thought sex trafficking would be luring girls out of their country with false promises, then burning their passports so that they can't flee

Well, that pretty much sums up what Epstein did.

You don't even need to burn passports, you can psychologically manipulate, threaten, beat up, hook on drugs, pass to friends, parade your powerful connections (event to the law), explain how they have no alternatives, and so on.

Especially if you're a ultra-rich mogul with personal guards and powerful friends, and they're some teenage girl from some poor eastern european family that you promise money or to get "exposure", and so on...

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Post by nf8nnfufuu »

CydeWeys wrote: post #133
nf8nnfufuu wrote: post #15

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Sorry, I don't get it. Somebody having assistants who look like models and are from Eastern Europe is suspicious of trafficking women? How? Why? I have heard about Epstein, obviously with hindsight all sorts of things he did can be seen in a new light. I just don't understand what is so damning about the passage above. Would somebody who is trafficking women really take them everywhere he goes? I thought it would be…

"Would somebody who is trafficking women really take them everywhere he goes?" The simple answer to this question is: Yes. He did. And it was precisely the people who didn't take it at face value that allowed him to get away with it for so long.

I haven't looked into his case. What was his method - what did he do, so that the girls couldn't call for help?

I think classically they are made to be illegal (no passport, have perhaps committed crime of prostitution, so they think they can not go to the police). Is that also what Epstein did?

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Post by nf8nnfufuu »

empath75 wrote: post #31
nf8nnfufuu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I don't get it. Somebody having assistants who look like models and are from Eastern Europe is suspicious of trafficking women? How? Why? I have heard about Epstein, obviously with hindsight all sorts of things he did can be seen in a new light. I just don't understand what is so damning about the passage above. Would somebody who is trafficking women really take them everywhere he goes? I thought it would be…

It’s not a theoretical question as to whether he was trafficking women. He had already been convicted of it! And was charged with it again.

Why was he running around free then? Had he already passed his time in jail?
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