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Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Re: Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Post by wheels »

crispyambulance wrote: post #66
ryanlol wrote: post #52

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>Sorry, but a 60-something "finance" guy with an entourage of teen models doesn't add up Honestly, it sounds like you just don’t go out very much.

Well, I guess I am not cool enough to go to places where I can see old-guy billionaires with teen models from Eastern Europe in tow.

Really? My wife and I see it often enough that we've even labeled it: "the wife or daughter game". You observe such a constellation and try to figure out which one it is. Less often the answer is "escort".

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Post by defen »

tptacek wrote: post #110
nf8nnfufuu wrote: post #15

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Sorry, I don't get it. Somebody having assistants who look like models and are from Eastern Europe is suspicious of trafficking women? How? Why? I have heard about Epstein, obviously with hindsight all sorts of things he did can be seen in a new light. I just don't understand what is so damning about the passage above. Would somebody who is trafficking women really take them everywhere he goes? I thought it would be…

That Epstein was problematic --- something that in essentially no doubt at this point after his indictment, imprisonment, and subsequent suicide --- was so well-understood to the Media Lab team at the time that they were considering intervening to help Epstein's escorts, on the off chance that they had been trafficked. That is not a position most people's bosses ever put them in, but it's what Ito did to staff at the…

Using his position for his own personal enrichment is also, at the very least, ethically shady as hell, right?

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Post by ryanlol »

rayiner wrote: post #119
testis321 wrote: post #64

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> Sorry, but a 60-something "finance" guy with an entourage of teen models doesn't add up. The only problematic thing here is the age of those models. Otherwise, rich people like that are often surrounded with girls of questionable morals and intentions, who do stuff and in return get stuff (some would call it prostitution, some would imply that prostitution had an agreement done in advance...). In some poorer countr…

What bar lets in “girls?”

Most of them?

Re: Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Post by breck »

hos234 wrote: post #43
breck wrote: post #14

Those in glass houses... “They were models. Eastern European, definitely,” she told me. Among the lab’s staff, she said, “all of us women made it a point to be super nice to them. We literally had a conversation about how, on the off chance that they’re not there by choice, we could maybe help them.” And what did these people go home and start doing for Eastern European models since then? I find this pretty condescen…

Well America currently runs the biggest outrage factories in the world. Don't expect the output to reduce anytime soon. The Attention Economy is still scaling up.

The outrage economy is a good term, thanks.

Re: Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Post by ryanlol »

crispyambulance wrote: post #66
ryanlol wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sorry, but a 60-something "finance" guy with an entourage of teen models doesn't add up Honestly, it sounds like you just don’t go out very much.

Well, I guess I am not cool enough to go to places where I can see old-guy billionaires with teen models from Eastern Europe in tow.

You don’t need to be cool, just live in a big city.

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Post by DSingularity »

eloisius wrote: post #121
tptacek wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Epstein was problematic --- something that in essentially no doubt at this point after his indictment, imprisonment, and subsequent suicide --- was so well-understood to the Media Lab team at the time that they were considering intervening to help Epstein's escorts, on the off chance that they had been trafficked. That is not a position most people's bosses ever put them in, but it's what Ito did to staff at the…

Might be some doubt about his suicide, but you’re right.

Doubt? Care to elaborate and substantiate?

Re: Joi Ito Resigns from M.I.T. Media Lab After Outcry over Jeffrey Epstein Ties

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Post by oh_sigh »

coldtea wrote: post #153
nf8nnfufuu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I don't get it. Somebody having assistants who look like models and are from Eastern Europe is suspicious of trafficking women? How? Why? I have heard about Epstein, obviously with hindsight all sorts of things he did can be seen in a new light. I just don't understand what is so damning about the passage above. Would somebody who is trafficking women really take them everywhere he goes? I thought it would be…

> Sorry, I don't get it. Somebody having assistants who look like models and are from Eastern Europe is suspicious of trafficking women? How? Why? In that it's extremely common. In the gritty real world, people know of such guys and what they do. Many have personality men such gentlemen and their entourages (of course most not at the level of Epstein, but frequent some circles in Eastern Europe, Russia, Paris, London…

> "I live in the gritty real world. Now let me tell you about my international experiences with the ultra wealthy, you hick."

How do you tell the difference between the sex-trafficked, forced-into-servitude eastern european model-assistants, and the eastern european models who see an opportunity to make a lot of money and a lot of connections, and take it?

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Post by nemothekid »

matz1 wrote: post #145
rosser wrote: post #124

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> ...doesn't mean one condone the practice... Ohai, goalpost. I thought we were talking about normalizing things, not condoning them.

Sorry let me rewrite that, hanging out with child trafficker doesn't mean normalizing child trafficking. What makes Child trafficking normal is if the law enforcement doesn't do anything.

>What makes Child trafficking normal is if the law enforcement doesn't do anything.

I am trying to understand all the mental hoops you are going through right now to write that sentence in the midst of marijuana legalization right now.

From "reefer madness" to now, the accepting of marijuana came directly from people working with, socializing with and being exposed to people smoking weed despite the fact that law enforcement pummeled millions of dollars and jailed an immense number of people for carrying insignificant amounts of marijuana. Law enforcement did an absolute shitton, and marijuana was still normalized.

Hanging out with child trafficker, and accepting money from them and inviting them to your private events is normalization. You are saying to the world, that despite it being well known that this guy has been shown to have some socially objectionable character, that he is someone that you are totally ok to have around. Whether its drug-use, sexual orientation, or anything else.

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Post by gojomo »

nickpinkston wrote: post #107
gojomo wrote: post #94

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Funny in a 'Beavis and Butthead', "heh, heh, we can find a prurient way to interpret this" way, sure.

See parent, but it was a theme of Epstein's projects to be named with innuendos.

I don't think it's appropriate to imply, without evidence, that Ito's 'Neoteny Ventures', founded in 1999, was in any way an "Epstein project".

(Of course, if there's evidence Epstein was involved at its founding, I'd change my mind about this.)

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Post by sitkack »

nemothekid wrote: post #70
matz1 wrote: post #53

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Normalize the taking money? Maybe, but not the child trafficking part.

If you take the money you have to turn a blind eye to the child trafficking part.

Not only that, but users often turn into dealers. And the result of which, it follows that one would have to also be ok with child murder.
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