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India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by mav3rick »

sbmthakur wrote: post #103
mayankkaizen wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I am not implying that. Read the GP comment. He was asking if that might be the case. You see PM standing by the ISRO (regardless of the outcome of mission) and I see a PM doing drama for PR exercise. Otherwise he doesn't care a bit about science or education. He doesn't even know the difference between Chandragupta Maurya and Chandragupta Vikramaditya. He thinks Takshashila was in Bihar. He has the audacity of t…

> You see PM standing by the ISRO (regardless of the outcome of mission) and I see a PM doing drama for PR exercise. Otherwise he doesn't care a bit about science or education. Okay. So for you, presence of the PM at an event(with significant probability of failure) which involved tremendous amount of nation's prowess(scientific as well as non-scientific) and that too by the department which directly falls under him…

What else was it if not a PR exercise ? Was he helping mission control ? IMO leaders should let scientists focus in crunch time. He could have come one day later to give a speech or something.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by scarejunba »

dragonsh wrote: post #7

It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

Well, I’m not going to let you give ICBM tech to the North Koreans so you’re on your own here.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by sbmthakur »

mav3rick wrote: post #141
sbmthakur wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You see PM standing by the ISRO (regardless of the outcome of mission) and I see a PM doing drama for PR exercise. Otherwise he doesn't care a bit about science or education. Okay. So for you, presence of the PM at an event(with significant probability of failure) which involved tremendous amount of nation's prowess(scientific as well as non-scientific) and that too by the department which directly falls under him…

What else was it if not a PR exercise ? Was he helping mission control ? IMO leaders should let scientists focus in crunch time. He could have come one day later to give a speech or something.

> What else was it if not a PR exercise ?

He heads the Department of Space. That's good enough to justify his presence.

> IMO leaders should let scientists focus in crunch time.

Scientists were very much focussed from what I saw.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by trixie_ »

dragonsh wrote: post #7

It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

There will always be groups of people who wish to be independent. Regardless if they're travelling to the new world or into a space. Some kind of authority trying to keep everyone together would not end up in the utopia scenario that you are imagining.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by inimino »

rayiner wrote: post #10
dragonsh wrote: post #7

It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

No. We’re different groups of people with different interests, different values, different ideas principles cultures histories views of the world. It’s good for us to be competing to explore space (and in trying to develop technological advantages in general). For countries like India it’s critical to develop their own technologies on this front. Otherwise they’ll remain eternally dependent on America, etc., for acce…

> A “single human race” would be [...]

A single human race is what we actually are.

Wake up and set your tribalistic thinking aside, it's not helping anyone.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by ultrasounder »

nicodjimenez wrote: post #138
ultrasounder wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came at a Yuuuuge price. The Appllo program claimed several lives even before the first probe launch. Recommend watching “The First Man” for accurate portrayal. Also the difference in budget between the NASA program and ISRO program is Apples one quarter earnings. Just saying

When you're rich you can afford the huge price tag.

I think we are talking past each other. America is always defined by its ability to take bold steps that come at Human costs. It’s written in their DNA. Not that India as a nation is risk averse, but whenever a human life is involved Yes they tend to be conservative. I think that’s what is driving their space program- to make these small incremental steps towards a final goal and they have ways to go before they get there. I personally think that ISRO has come of age and all it needs is some private equity participation to give it a much needed kick in the butt!

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by mieseratte »

PeterStuer wrote: post #133
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What value do you think your comment added to the discussion?

Perspectives on evolution vs. devolution? But agreed, we are digressing.

It’s a bit of a false dichotomy, really. It isn’t as if the US is behind on accessing the moon or space in general.

Nothing more than distracting partisan virtue signaling.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by shripadk »

mayankkaizen wrote: post #98
sbmthakur wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying that rest of the anti-Modi folks wanted this mission to fail? That's somewhat sad. ISRO is funded by the Government and PM heads the Department of Sapce. So, what did you expect him to do? Nod off and go to sleep. It's actually good to have a PM who stands by country's scientists even at the time of failure(and not just at the time of success).

No, I am not implying that. Read the GP comment. He was asking if that might be the case. You see PM standing by the ISRO (regardless of the outcome of mission) and I see a PM doing drama for PR exercise. Otherwise he doesn't care a bit about science or education. He doesn't even know the difference between Chandragupta Maurya and Chandragupta Vikramaditya. He thinks Takshashila was in Bihar. He has the audacity of t…

What a load of garbage. Seriously go consult some psychiatrist at the earliest.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by DuskStar »

dragonsh wrote: post #29
rayiner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. We’re different groups of people with different interests, different values, different ideas principles cultures histories views of the world. It’s good for us to be competing to explore space (and in trying to develop technological advantages in general). For countries like India it’s critical to develop their own technologies on this front. Otherwise they’ll remain eternally dependent on America, etc., for acce…

I will disagree with your views, scientifically we are same race and our genetic differences are insignificant. Our ancestors originated in Africa. Indeed today most nation's are a hotpot of multi-culture, language, colors, food etc. All these difference you talk about came from our tribal nationalistic mentality. Indeed the reason USA and many other countries succeeded is due to openness to embrace diversity. Single…

> I will disagree with your views, scientifically we are same race and our genetic differences are insignificant.

Insignificant except for the ability to digest lactose in adulthood, resistance to malaria, efficient metabolization of alcohols... And that's just off the top of my head for "significant genetic differences that tend to be associated with a race".

And if you're saying that "99.99% of our dna is shared, so there are no significant differences and no races" - why would that not also apply to species like dogs?

So, a question for you - do you have any scientific basis for your views, or are they based on an idea of how the world should be?

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