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Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by scarface74 »

writepub wrote: post #27
scarface74 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The above statement is not correct. You’ve always been free to sell non digital goods through the App Store. For instance, you can buy anything through the Amazon app that is actually shipped to you. Can you set up your own independent shop in Walmart and sell stuff?

So generous of Apple to allow the sale of physical goods, despite having no involvement in the sale or production process. We all need to take a moment to count the blessings our benevolent smartphone overlords have bestowed on us.

And do you have a point? I corrected a factual error.

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by hutattedonmyarm »

jeremy_wiebe wrote: post #17

I take this to mean that apps that are just a chrome for a website will no longer be approved. I also wonder if they’re targeting apps that use services like CodePush. > This means that the core features and functionality of the app must be contained within the binary of the software, rather than made possible by referring users outside of the approved app, including through the use of HTML5.

Good. The „app“ for my mobile carrier is entirely a web view, to the point that I got a „please download our app“ banner within the app. Until recently it wasn’t even updated to support anything bigger than a 4.7“ iOS device. So the website pinned to the springboard provided a better experience than the app

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by detaro »

SimeVidas wrote: post #33
rolltiide wrote: post #11

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Compared to...? SPA/PWA/specific non-native solution entirely based on JS?

Just HTML. There is no versioning, it’s a “living standard.”

HTML5 is more a shorthand for "modern web technologies" nowadays. It's not just HTML.

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by ravenstine »

rolltiide wrote: post #11
SimeVidas wrote: post #6

It’s 2019. Apple still uses the term HTML5.

Compared to...? SPA/PWA/specific non-native solution entirely based on JS?

Unless HTML6 happens and is adopted, which I doubt, calling it HTML5 is just kind of pointless; I really don't care if people say HTML5, but I say HTML because that's what it is, and adding on '5' doesn't provide any useful information since all browsers support HTML version 5 by default and without the need to specify it.

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by ravenstine »

detaro wrote: post #34
SimeVidas wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just HTML. There is no versioning, it’s a “living standard.”

HTML5 is more a shorthand for "modern web technologies" nowadays. It's not just HTML.

Which is rather silly, since HTML5 isn't "modern" in contrast to a lot of the things we call "modern" in the world of software development. I don't believe there's anyone who honestly thinks of non-modern web technologies when they hear "HTML" without the 5, except maybe someone who hasn't done any web development in over a decade.

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by pxeboot »

scarface74 wrote: post #23
writepub wrote: post #19

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> as you don’t try to sell things through it Why? Why does Apple insist on playing middleman, if not for totalitarian control over all commerce on the platform? How is this not monopolistic anti-trust behavior?

The above statement is not correct. You’ve always been free to sell non digital goods through the App Store. For instance, you can buy anything through the Amazon app that is actually shipped to you. Can you set up your own independent shop in Walmart and sell stuff?

> Can you set up your own independent shop in Walmart and sell stuff?

With permission, sure. I see people selling girl scout cookies, kettle corn, etc in the entry to Walmart all the time.

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by writepub »

scarface74 wrote: post #30
writepub wrote: post #29

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What exactly is Apple's role in the sale of digital goods? You made a comparison to selling via Walmart, which is a false equivalency. The app store can easily work like podcasts aggregating RSS feeds from developers, it's just that Apple has forcefully inserted itself into the transaction

The entire premise of the App Store, permissions and sandboxing is that users should be able to download anything from the App Store willy nilly and know that it won’t do the same type of invasive crap that can happen on Windows and Macs. The App Store is not a flea market. Podcasts can’t install malware, eat battery life, invade privacy, etc. I’m very careful about what I install on my personal computers. I install…

1. Sandboxing doesn't need apple's app store, it's manual policy enforcement and arbitrary anti competitive rejections. Many, many sandboxes have existed with well documented permissioning systems that don't need anointing by manual reviewers.

2. Speaking of flea markets and the false equivalency of the app store to a Walmart, Walmart doesn't require banning flea markets but the app store (Apple) bans sideloading. Walmart and flea markets coexist peacefully.

3. Just because you enjoy being chaparoned on iOS, doesn't mean everyone does. Go ahead and enjoy willy-nilly installs from the app store, but don't block user's choice to circumvent Steve Jobs' image of the universe

The truth is that Apple doesn't play a role in the sale of digital goods, or meaningfully increase security outside automated sandboxing. The real premise of the app store is totalitarianism and greed

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by SimeVidas »

detaro wrote: post #34
SimeVidas wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just HTML. There is no versioning, it’s a “living standard.”

HTML5 is more a shorthand for "modern web technologies" nowadays. It's not just HTML.

Trust me, nobody in the web development community uses HTML5 as a shorthand for that.

Re: App Updates for HTML5 Apps

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Post by scarface74 »

writepub wrote: post #38
scarface74 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire premise of the App Store, permissions and sandboxing is that users should be able to download anything from the App Store willy nilly and know that it won’t do the same type of invasive crap that can happen on Windows and Macs. The App Store is not a flea market. Podcasts can’t install malware, eat battery life, invade privacy, etc. I’m very careful about what I install on my personal computers. I install…

1. Sandboxing doesn't need apple's app store, it's manual policy enforcement and arbitrary anti competitive rejections. Many, many sandboxes have existed with well documented permissioning systems that don't need anointing by manual reviewers. 2. Speaking of flea markets and the false equivalency of the app store to a Walmart, Walmart doesn't require banning flea markets but the app store (Apple) bans sideloading. Wa…

Sandboxing doesn't need apple's app store, it's manual policy enforcement and arbitrary anti competitive rejections. Many, many sandboxes have existed with well documented permissioning systems that don't need anointing by manual reviewers.

Where is an example of that actually working in the consumer market? How has that worked out for Android?

2. Speaking of flea markets and the false equivalency of the app store to a Walmart, Walmart doesn't require banning flea markets but the app store (Apple) bans sideloading. Walmart and flea markets coexist peacefully.

Android and iOS also coexist. If you care about “freedom” you are free to use Android like 80%+ of the rest of the smart phone market.

Just because you enjoy being chaparoned on iOS, doesn't mean everyone does. Go ahead and enjoy willy-nilly installs from the app store, but don't block user's choice to circumvent Steve Jobs' image of the universe

And it’s your choice to buy an Android device....

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