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India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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I read that the maximum experiments are in the orbiter so this is a successful mission. The only thing for which it 'failed' was to let the ruling class do chest thumping by saying 'we are the fourth country to land a rover'. The ruling party had planned a great celebration today for it's 100 days in office, a date coinciding when the rover would land! They wanted to milk it for their nationalistic purposes while the…

I think you are unnecessarily making this political. Even if India was successful at landing i dont think the government would count it as 'their' achievement rather would be counted as an achievement of the whole nation. And even 'non-blind' followers would celebrate, given how everyone were on edge of their seats yesterday. Also no one is bashing Nehru because he started ISRO.

Calling the moon landing a government PR gimmick is highly irrespectful to the scientists behind this.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Well let's revisit this statement in 500 years. Every decade has brought the world closer. Even the recent developments (brexit, trump) are reactions to increased pace of integration. You can find kfc, coca cola in socities as diverse as Mongolia and Madagascar. It will be extremely difficult to turn the clock back on this and this will only keep on intensifying in my opinion.

" A 1910 best-selling book, The Great Illusion, used economic arguments to demonstrate that territorial conquest had become unprofitable, and therefore global capitalism had removed the risk of major wars. " [0] If you assume that the world order should look like America in charge, everyone else playing quietly in their own garden then everything is fine. If you assume that the Asian, African and European powers migh…

> If you assume that the Asian, African and European powers might see the world differently

And if you’re an American, the prospect of that single national government being say Bangladesh (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/asia/bangladesh-sta...) should be pretty scary! Star Trek style global government seems attractive to many people because they assume it’ll be “America in Space.”

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

>"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

It's mostly a matter of conspicuous consumption, aside from possible military applications and meager civilian technological advances.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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" A 1910 best-selling book, The Great Illusion, used economic arguments to demonstrate that territorial conquest had become unprofitable, and therefore global capitalism had removed the risk of major wars. " [0] If you assume that the world order should look like America in charge, everyone else playing quietly in their own garden then everything is fine. If you assume that the Asian, African and European powers migh…

> If you assume that the Asian, African and European powers might see the world differently And if you’re an American, the prospect of that single national government being say Bangladesh ( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/asia/bangladesh-sta... ) should be pretty scary! Star Trek style global government seems attractive to many people because they assume it’ll be “America in Space.”

More like Europe in space (more socialist/democratic) and I wouldn't mind it - but then I guess I'm biased, as a European (and I half-seriously fly the flag of United Federation of Planets).

Still, I don't think we can face planetary-scale challenges much longer as a bunch of competing nations; some form of global governance will be necessary for humanity to move forward.

As for culture difference, this may be unpopular opinion, but I do hope things will homogenize further over time. The driving aspect towards cultural unification even today is that people copy what works.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

But the goals are different though, ISRO is less about grand exploratory projects and more about doing the little things and balance them with the commercial aspects of space. India is not a super rich country that can spare ISRO a large budget you know.

Eitherway, there's also some advantages from having competing organizations with different operating philosophies exploring space.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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post #7

It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

Anyone can join the ESA and chose which project they want to participate in and get the research results from it, just like CERN it’s not actually an EU organization

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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I read that the maximum experiments are in the orbiter so this is a successful mission. The only thing for which it 'failed' was to let the ruling class do chest thumping by saying 'we are the fourth country to land a rover'. The ruling party had planned a great celebration today for it's 100 days in office, a date coinciding when the rover would land! They wanted to milk it for their nationalistic purposes while the…

I think you are unnecessarily making this political. Even if India was successful at landing i dont think the government would count it as 'their' achievement rather would be counted as an achievement of the whole nation. And even 'non-blind' followers would celebrate, given how everyone were on edge of their seats yesterday. Also no one is bashing Nehru because he started ISRO. Calling the moon landing a government…

Considering the recent occupation, house arrest, and disabling of all cellular communications of the entire region of Kashmir, it’s worth considering the possibility that this scientific effort was made for political ends.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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It's a good effort by ISRO and it's scientist. Just can't understand why so many countries reinventing the wheels. Space missions should be multi-country efforts continuously as it belongs to all. We should not extend our tribal nationalistic thinking to space. Best scientist can be in any nation and more diverse the group and experience the better chances of success. I know I am just dreaming, but hopefully we can c…

No. We’re different groups of people with different interests, different values, different ideas principles cultures histories views of the world. It’s good for us to be competing to explore space (and in trying to develop technological advantages in general). For countries like India it’s critical to develop their own technologies on this front. Otherwise they’ll remain eternally dependent on America, etc., for acce…

I will disagree with your views, scientifically we are same race and our genetic differences are insignificant. Our ancestors originated in Africa. Indeed today most nation's are a hotpot of multi-culture, language, colors, food etc.

All these difference you talk about came from our tribal nationalistic mentality. Indeed the reason USA and many other countries succeeded is due to openness to embrace diversity.

Single human race does not mean everyone is same, I am not sure if you heard "Unity in diversity". All the boundaries we talk about today hopefully do not extend to space.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

" A 1910 best-selling book, The Great Illusion, used economic arguments to demonstrate that territorial conquest had become unprofitable, and therefore global capitalism had removed the risk of major wars. " [0] If you assume that the world order should look like America in charge, everyone else playing quietly in their own garden then everything is fine. If you assume that the Asian, African and European powers migh…

> If you assume that the Asian, African and European powers might see the world differently And if you’re an American, the prospect of that single national government being say Bangladesh ( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/asia/bangladesh-sta... ) should be pretty scary! Star Trek style global government seems attractive to many people because they assume it’ll be “America in Space.”

@TeMPOraL

Yeah a "Great Leap Forward" kind of moving forward for humanity? Sounds good, works bad. Capitalism looks bad, but works good. I once also wanted a kind of world government but as I grew more knowledgable this Idea really started to terrify me. A decentralized world of competing small units with a small set of (trade) rules seems like the best option mid- to long-term. In short term of course socialist type of governance gives stability. Just 2 cents from a fellow European

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