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> Here is another video of a 777 wing test where it broke at 154% of the normal load I really hope you mean 154% of the max load, and I hope that max load is engineered to be far above what should be seen in actual service. 50% over the normal service load is not what I would consider extreme, and not something I would expect to be acceptable in an aircraft.
Ok, I'm hijacking this thread because there's some confusion about 'limit' load. http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf...
Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test
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Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
You expect things stressed beyond limits to break where you expect them to, and the point of the test is to show that the failure modes are the expected ones. Having a door pressure seal fail explosively during an airframe stress test sounds to me very much like an UNexpected failure mode. That's bad.
It's doubly unexpected as, in theory, the 777X is just a variant of the 777, itself a plane that didn't blow its doors out under testing.
Uh oh. Haven't we seen this story before with a different model (cough 737 cough)?
Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test
#103It's a stress test. You would expect things to break during a stress test. > "They loaded it up well beyond capacity and bent its wings in an extreme manner, in a way almost certain to never happen in the real world." Here is another video of a 777 wing test where it broke at 154% of the [s/normal/maximum theoretical/] load - a bit beyond what was expected by the engineering team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2H…
Given the stunned silence and halting of further testing I'm guessing this wasn't a stress it till breaking type stress test
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#105,,Investors were disappointed recently when Boeing announced delays in delivering its first 777X model into next year.'' ,,Safety is the highest priority at Boeing." I'm not sure if both of these sentences can be true at the same time. At the same time I wouldn't be a Boeing investor after how the MAX plane was designed.
It's a headline-worthy story itself. "Investor X doesn't want you to be safe, just wants your money"
Take it with a grain of salt. That was added to manufacture anger.
Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
The second, third, and fourth sentences seem to imply otherwise? > The test is meant to push the plane beyond its limits. Engineers had the plane pressurized and on the ground. They loaded it up well beyond capacity and bent its wings in an extreme manner, in a way almost certain to never happen in the real world. and also further down, more "not necessarily a normal test" evidence: > ... The ultimate load test is th…
The second, third, and fourth sentences seem to imply otherwise? Semantics. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/door-... The Seattle Times explains it thusly: During the ultimate load test, the wings are then pulled upward. To pass the test and be certified, the wings must bend without breaking until the load on them reaches at least 150 percent of the normally expected load. … Sometimes this final…
Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Here is another video of a 777 wing test where it broke at 154% of the normal load I really hope you mean 154% of the max load, and I hope that max load is engineered to be far above what should be seen in actual service. 50% over the normal service load is not what I would consider extreme, and not something I would expect to be acceptable in an aircraft.
Design limit load is for an aircraft at max allowable weight, with the max authorized g loading (often -1 to +2.5g) or the worst anticipated gusts (about 50 ft/sec depending on altitude). You then need to tack on 50% to get the required ultimate load. 50% is indeed not a huge safety margin like you'd get with a bridge or something, which is why you need trained professionals flying it and regular inspections. If you…
Safety margins for bridges are like 25-50%.
Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
The second, third, and fourth sentences seem to imply otherwise? Semantics. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/door-... The Seattle Times explains it thusly: During the ultimate load test, the wings are then pulled upward. To pass the test and be certified, the wings must bend without breaking until the load on them reaches at least 150 percent of the normally expected load. … Sometimes this final…
I mean, when it comes down to it, I’d rather lose a door than a wing though, right...?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_Flight_981
The cargo hatch blew open and the cabin floor collapsed on account of differential pressure, disabling the rudder, elevator and rear engine controls.
This may well not happen on a 777X -- various other airplanes have lost part of their cabin structure without crashing -- but an unexpected event calls into doubt your design.
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> The A380 was already in production at the time of the Feb 2006 test. There is more than one version of the A380. But there was no A380 Airbus with a 550 seat capacity in service at that time. The whole point of that wing testing was so this newer, higher capacity A380 could get certification. http://www.modernairliners.com/airbus-a380/airbus-a380_histo... 25 October 2007 - The first commercial flight of the A380 to…
>There is more than one version of the A380. There is only one version of the A380, the A380-800. >But there was no A380 Airbus with a 550 seat capacity in service at that time. I didn't mean "in service", I meant "in production". You're right that it wasn't in service at the time, but pieces of the plane had already been started to be produced, thus "in production". >The whole point of that wing testing was so this…
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2006-1...
QUOTE: Since manufacture of the initial wingset used in the tests, Airbus has refined the design, which will be slightly different on production rigs as a result of continued development, according to the European manufacturer. One factor may have been that earlier A380 weight-saving exercises had left no margin for error in the formal static load tests.
Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test
#110,,Investors were disappointed recently when Boeing announced delays in delivering its first 777X model into next year.'' ,,Safety is the highest priority at Boeing." I'm not sure if both of these sentences can be true at the same time. At the same time I wouldn't be a Boeing investor after how the MAX plane was designed.