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What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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post #19

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> it's stupid easy to make them not poor Really? How so?

Take money from rich people Give money to poor people. Only reason that's hard is rich people wanting to keep their money. Not some grand natural equilibrium.

Which rich people do you think all that money came from exactly?

This is an absurd fixed-pie view of reality.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's stupid easy to make them not poor Really? How so?

Take money from rich people Give money to poor people. Only reason that's hard is rich people wanting to keep their money. Not some grand natural equilibrium.

And you'll also need a set of policies to keep that going in perpetuity, otherwise the money is going to accumulate in a few hands again.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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It's important to remember that the world has been unbelievably successful at getting people out of extreme poverty (inflation-adjusted $1.9 per day). We went from 1.9 billion in 1990 to 0.65 billion in 2018. Ways to go, but it is a truly amazing achievement of humanity. Perhaps the greatest achievement of the past 30 years. https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

The article mentions this in the beginning, what's your point?

I love how every time there's talk of povery, some first world beneficiary jumps in to point out how much better poor people are compared to the past. Why they think that's relevant is beyond me.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

#54
post #19

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> it's stupid easy to make them not poor Really? How so?

pay them, boost their economy, etc...there are exceptions for countries that are screwed politically but if the government is decent and willing to work with you it's pretty simple.

The problem is that every country that is still very poor is also full of corruption, so we have already solved all the simple cases you talk about.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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The first world's needless cry of "exploitation!" is the third world's actual opportunity.

I keep telling people that, but they get mad when I give them opportunities to serve me.

You sound just like a person that would love to come at my place tomorrow and do my dishes and clean the apartment for a dollar?

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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post #5

It's important to remember that the world has been unbelievably successful at getting people out of extreme poverty (inflation-adjusted $1.9 per day). We went from 1.9 billion in 1990 to 0.65 billion in 2018. Ways to go, but it is a truly amazing achievement of humanity. Perhaps the greatest achievement of the past 30 years. https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

I think this number is marginally misleading, because a huge amount of that is China: > According to the World Bank, more than 850 million people have lifted themselves out of extreme poverty as China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015 China was not historically poor, and this is a reversion to the mean once minimal free trade was allowed.

Which country is historically poor? I don't understand. If we consider a native, self sustaining civilisation as "poor" because they don't have the technology (whether that is a horse cart or a computer) that we have and they can't buy it at the currency rate that we fix, I dont think it qualifies as poor. I think it's time we should get comfortable with the fact that happiness is not always material things but it's relative material things. We may have eased our physical effort with technology but most of us spend in gym or track to probably spend the same amount of energy. Of course we can't go back once we are lifted out of the "poverty " except to spend half our savings as that vacation on the hut at an exotic beach or wildlife safari, cursing our hectic career & life :)

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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I'm kinda put off by the production of these videos. It feels like some artsy vlog or artisan type video, but instead it's highres slowmo shots of someone's sheet metal hut and the sunlight coming through smoke and dirt while they slog through another day with nearly nothing to show for it. I feel like the videographers missed the point by trying to make it pretty.

They’re trying to capture the story in a compelling, accessible way. I feel like the production quality helps honor the people and their stories, adding credibility.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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post #5

It's important to remember that the world has been unbelievably successful at getting people out of extreme poverty (inflation-adjusted $1.9 per day). We went from 1.9 billion in 1990 to 0.65 billion in 2018. Ways to go, but it is a truly amazing achievement of humanity. Perhaps the greatest achievement of the past 30 years. https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

I am originally from South East Asia but lived in America and Europe.

In India, I've lived many days on less than $3 a day.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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Please, could you suggest an alternative to capitalism? How would you implement it? Are you also likening people in extreme poverty to cows? Is that not extremely vile? I would like to have a discussion with you, but I fear I can't really hear you from your moral high ground: could you please come down to my basic level and try to explain? English is also not my first language, so lets keep the phraseology simple.

Some suggestions:

1. If you need healthcare you get it for free or almost free.

2. If you make billions of dollars, you pay a lot more taxes.

3. Workers have as much power as their employers.

4. Everyone has access to food, water, and basic shelter.

5. Everyone is treated with dignity and respect.

This seems like a good start.

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