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What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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Please, could you suggest an alternative to capitalism? How would you implement it? Are you also likening people in extreme poverty to cows? Is that not extremely vile? I would like to have a discussion with you, but I fear I can't really hear you from your moral high ground: could you please come down to my basic level and try to explain? English is also not my first language, so lets keep the phraseology simple.

I present the alternative known as:

Capitalism (with some changes)

Criticizing an economic system doesn't require me to create and name an alternative. I can present issues, we can solve those issues, and then we'll have a new economic system that is quite close to capitalism.

Once it's significantly different we can figure out how to name it. But that's not important right now.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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That's not true at scale. We're not talking share-shifting of dollars, but making a more anti-fragile system overall that lifts everyone.

I agree, but most folks aren't ready for the share-shifting of privilege that that would entail.

I’m gonna need you to cite a source for that claim.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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Well, it's not nothing...but making the ridiculously poor slightly less poor isn't something I'd call an "amazing achievement" since it's stupid easy to make them not poor.

> it's stupid easy to make them not poor Really? How so?

Maybe by not enabling like ten people to control the majority of the wealth.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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There are so many folks in the comments who seem to be focused on a particular narrative. There's a lot of comments saying "It's so much better than it used to be!"

While true, this feels to me like a deflection. It seems to come up any time inequality is mentioned here. It feels like an excuse.

"yes things may be hard for someone making $2 a day, but they're better now so it's all ok."

I find it to be a distraction. I don't care if things are better than ancient times. I think they can improve significantly more, and I'm frustrated by such short-sighted viewpoints distracting from the point of the article.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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Believe it or not, you can grow food, hunt squirrels and build a nice lean-to for zero dollars a day. People forget that.

My mother, for the last 30 years or so, has been a log cabin, raise goats, make Thanksgiving dinner over a propane fire kind of minimalist. Even so, she told me about this old guy who lived down the road who claimed to live on something like 8 USD per month. According to him, his secret was that he absolutely eschewed all vices.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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I'm kinda put off by the production of these videos. It feels like some artsy vlog or artisan type video, but instead it's highres slowmo shots of someone's sheet metal hut and the sunlight coming through smoke and dirt while they slog through another day with nearly nothing to show for it.

I feel like the videographers missed the point by trying to make it pretty.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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They certainly do not get mad when you give them jobs.

I apologize, it occurs to me that English isn't your first language. A job isn't something that you give to to others, it's something that you need that others fulfill.

No it isn't.

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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Something to keep in mind: while exteme poverty is worse than what a 1st world person could probably imagine,you have to also think about all the nuiances and costly omplications of first world living that go away in a poor 3rd world country.

Mandatory health,rent,home owner, car (liability) insurances don't exist. Housing codes are not that good or not enforced well which means cheap housing (think huts for example) with no running water,plumbing,extensive electrical wiring,toilet and more is a lot cheaper than in a developed nation. People don't use microwaves,dish washers,laundry machines and similar convenient appliances. Bills are mostly limited to electricity and cellphone. Income tax is pretty much non-existent for people in extreme poverty. If you survive all the way to adulthood in extreme poverty you probably havr a well fortified immune system.

Things also cost what people are willing to pay for them. At least the bare neccesities will always be affordable to the majority,which means if there is extensive poverty in a certain area then food,used clothing,etc... Are affordable (albeit not of good quality).

My point is, a "day in the life" is probably a lot different than you might think. It's not so much that they struggle to pay rent,good healthcare or afford food (typical american poverty) but more like if they get sick for simple curable diseases they just die. Because they make so little,they can't afford to let the kids go to school at all after a certain age (the kids help) or even if they can they can't do homework or study with bad housing or lacking electricity and other tech. In many cases,kids walk really far to get to school (think 5+ miles). Nutrition is of course horrible.

The type of poverty you would experience in the US is different. You have food pantrys and emergency medical treatment is always available or at least you can get to a hospital within a few hours. Public libraries and relatively great public schools make raising a child a bit easier. In the US though,housing means a lot of complicated requirements,things cost a lot more,you feel a lot worse with what you lack which means the mental trauma is very high which in turn drives many to turn to easily accessible vices and crime trapping the person in a spiral of misery. Poverty is horrible wherever it happens and very tragically it persists in the west wearing a different mask.

Growing up in extreme povery and experiencing it after living in a 3rd world country are not comparable. When you grow up in a certain environment you accept certain realities(e.g.: I can't afford a 3rd meal and toilet paper vs I have to live in my car with my child because I got evicted ).

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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It's still a true story...nothing diminishes the significance of this.

The achievement is ... Mao died?

Wouldn't "bad leader dies, next one has better economic policies" make the situation improve by a lot in most poor places?

Re: What’s it like to live on less than $2 a day?

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There are so many folks in the comments who seem to be focused on a particular narrative. There's a lot of comments saying "It's so much better than it used to be!" While true, this feels to me like a deflection. It seems to come up any time inequality is mentioned here. It feels like an excuse. "yes things may be hard for someone making $2 a day, but they're better now so it's all ok." I find it to be a distraction.…

>> I don't care if things are better than ancient times.

The world population living in poverty has decreased from >1.7 billion to 700 million over the past 25 years. So, it's not a comparison to ancient times. We've made considerable progress in just the past couple decades.

There's still a lot of work to be done, and we should celebrate the progress made at the same time.

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