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Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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It's a stress test. You would expect things to break during a stress test. > "They loaded it up well beyond capacity and bent its wings in an extreme manner, in a way almost certain to never happen in the real world." Here is another video of a 777 wing test where it broke at 154% of the [s/normal/maximum theoretical/] load - a bit beyond what was expected by the engineering team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2H…

> You would expect things to break during a stress test. Except, the whole point of the test is to stress the plane and to have nothing break. The test is designed to make sure the aircraft has built-in safety (i.e. is over engineered). When the A380 was attempting to earn it's certification it failed a similar static wing test: http://www.airmech.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/5340-A380-Win...

> Except, the whole point of the test is stress the plane and to have nothing break.

That depends on the type of stress test. Some stress tests are to confirm it acts as expected. Other stress tests are used to determine modes of failure. Good engineering isn't just building stuff to spec and assuming it works, just as good programming isn't just writing code and assuming it works as expected because the compiler doesn't throw any errors.

It's very useful to try to break something and see what happens. That's why engineers provide more stresses than systems are designed for to see what breaks, and that's why programmers sometimes run programs in environments constrained in ways it wasn't meant to run in (no disk space, out of memory, network drop, etc), and run fuzzers.

Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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post #31
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> You would expect things to break during a stress test. Except, the whole point of the test is to stress the plane and to have nothing break. The test is designed to make sure the aircraft has built-in safety (i.e. is over engineered). When the A380 was attempting to earn it's certification it failed a similar static wing test: http://www.airmech.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/5340-A380-Win...

> Except, the whole point of the test is stress the plane and to have nothing break. That depends on the type of stress test. Some stress tests are to confirm it acts as expected. Other stress tests are used to determine modes of failure. Good engineering isn't just building stuff to spec and assuming it works, just as good programming isn't just writing code and assuming it works as expected because the compiler doe…

Also it depends on how far in the design process they are. Early failure is good. Late is bad, but mostly for them, they'll have to loopback.

Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

#34
post #7

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Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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post #3

Thankfully we seem to have standardized on plug type doors, not outward opening ones, since the dc10 disaster. I wonder what happened. Considering emergency exit doors, cargo doors and primary boarding doors are all plug design it must have been a serious failure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10#Cargo_...

This is pure ignorance on my part, but do plug type doors seal as strongly when on the ground ?

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Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You would expect things to break during a stress test. Except, the whole point of the test is to stress the plane and to have nothing break. The test is designed to make sure the aircraft has built-in safety (i.e. is over engineered). When the A380 was attempting to earn it's certification it failed a similar static wing test: http://www.airmech.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/5340-A380-Win...

>Except, the whole point of the test is to stress the plane and to have nothing break. What? No it's not. The entire point of these tests is specifically to break things. If nothing breaks, they did not perform the test correctly. >When the A380 was attempting to earn it's certification it failed a similar static wing test: No, it didn't. It passed the test handily. The wing broke well beyond the max load limit, whic…

The first time the A380 tried the test it failed. Read the link.

And yes it did eventually pass that wing test only because if it had not it would not never have been certified.

Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

#37
post #3

Thankfully we seem to have standardized on plug type doors, not outward opening ones, since the dc10 disaster. I wonder what happened. Considering emergency exit doors, cargo doors and primary boarding doors are all plug design it must have been a serious failure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10#Cargo_...

They are plug doors, as with all other passenger jet airliners today. The door goes in at an angle (eg. 737) or part of it slides up/down (eg. 777) to fit through the door frame.

Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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Nice, thanks for the reminder about pi-hole! Been meaning to set it up for so long now! :)

it really is super easy to do. took me an hour while i was watching TV

I set mine up while lying in bed one morning from my phone using Termius (W19, but been using it for years).

It's great.

Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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post #14

"The test is meant to push the plane beyond its limits. Engineers had the plane pressurized and on the ground. They loaded it up well beyond capacity and bent its wings in an extreme manner, in a way almost certain to never happen in the real world." "Dr. Curtis said this is not the time to race to conclusions, and it could be something totally innocuous that caused the door to come off. But it could cause delays. "I…

"It's unlikely this will speed up certification."

I assume "this" in the above is equivalent to "the door blowing off the airplane".

I think we have a solid conclusion here, despite the previously stated desire to avoid racing towards them.

Re: Door blows off Boeing 777X during stress test

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post #36

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>Except, the whole point of the test is to stress the plane and to have nothing break. What? No it's not. The entire point of these tests is specifically to break things. If nothing breaks, they did not perform the test correctly. >When the A380 was attempting to earn it's certification it failed a similar static wing test: No, it didn't. It passed the test handily. The wing broke well beyond the max load limit, whic…

The first time the A380 tried the test it failed. Read the link. And yes it did eventually pass that wing test only because if it had not it would not never have been certified.

>The first time the A380 tried the test it failed. Read the link.

I suggest you read it. The A380 did not fail. It says so in the link you provided.

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