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What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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I'm just going to talk about something semi-related since the article is trash. This is all anecdotal btw. The concept of virtue. I find that people who are religious talk about virtue more than those who don't. I'm not saying that they are virtuous, just that they seem to think/talk about it more.

I see certain virtues on the rise like frugalness, humanity, wholesomeness, but then there are others I see on a decline like gravity, dutifulness, prudence, self-control, and not being petty (there is another word for this but I forgot). Any thoughts on the matter? Am I just biased and not seeing the whole picture?

I feel like people are really petty in general and growing drug use and obesity problems demonstrate a lack of self control. Whenever I broach the subject with people I find that many people do not think of morality in terms of a list of virtues to abide by. That isn't saying they are not virtuous, they just don't think about morality that way. I historically haven't either, but I find it easier when I have something concrete to refer to when I'm thinking about decisions or how best to accomplish a task.

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Meanwhile, what's your best atheist argument? Maybe rephrasing this whole think will help you see this whole argument from different side. Say you have a friend that claims they have and invisible imaginary friend. They have to prove that this imaginary friend exist. Its crazy to think I would have to disprove that existence of imaginary friend.

You mean you suppose it to be imaginary. The example isn't the same as religious claims. Firstly because all religious people claim that the 'invisible' friend will talk back if you make the effort to make contact (with few exceptions, but some are: the arrogant, the idly curious, those who wouldn't change their lives even if they knew). And unlike fairies at the bottom of the garden, a supreme being has by definitio…

>> You mean you suppose it to be imaginary. ... if you'd talk to schizophrenic, you also refer to their imaginations as 'supposed imaginations'?

All you are trying to do is bend reality to fit your view. By shifting my word and redefining stuff. There is no difference between imaginary friend of you child and god.

>> So sure, I can't prove a god's existence

Thank you, end of conversation. Anything else added after 'but' is superfluous fluff.

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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Didn't bother reading the article since most comments say it's worthless. I expected a talk about measured brain activity.

I was raised a catholic, and the most prevalent feelings I got out of that was paranoia and fear. They teach you there's an omnipresent, omniscient, all-powerful being judging your every thought 24/7, for all your life. He's personally interested in you, he says he loves you dearly, but for some reason he won't speak to you at all. Only his priests know his will.

You can fool people, but you can't fool this being, and worst of all, you are already in his debt since before you were born. Displease him and being skinned alive by a drug cartel would feel merciful compared to your eternity in hell.

Fortunately, it was common sense, knowledge and the numerous contradictions, rather than fear, that opened my eyes out of religion. It took me years to cope with the sequels of indoctrination, but I'm happier and more serene as an atheist now.

In my book, religions that demand conversion are thinly-veiled attempts at brainwashing. Religions like Buddhism I find more benign.

Edit: went and read it anyway, and despite the clickbait title, I agree with the subtitle: "it's like going off a drug."

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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Didn't bother reading the article since most comments say it's worthless. I expected a talk about measured brain activity. I was raised a catholic, and the most prevalent feelings I got out of that was paranoia and fear. They teach you there's an omnipresent, omniscient, all-powerful being judging your every thought 24/7, for all your life. He's personally interested in you, he says he loves you dearly, but for some…

I agree w/ the parts that we aren't belief-less heathens. I'm still inspired and awestruck as an exmormon/agnostic when I see a beautiful space image or sunset. Or just watching my kids experience new things for the first time.

I find I'm more spiritual as an agnostic than I was before losing religion, spiritual to me is just feeling inspired or 'touched' by a movie or book or event in my life. It's about honoring the small parts of life because we don't know what comes after.

I still believe an afterlife could exist, but it isn't controlled by a deity, it'd just be energy being re-used which happens all the time in nature.

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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I have learned for myself, with long effort and evaluation of when I was right and when I was wrong, that God is real and does care, that He answers sincere prayers in His time, and our choices matter. I have written how I know, here, in detail (a simple site). It includes reason, and feelings that came as a result of actions I chose. http://lukecall.net/e-9223372036854587400.html

But everyone will decide for themselves what they think is a good enough reason.

Ps: do you know what an insomniac, agnostic, dyslexic does? Gazes up at the stars, wondering: "Is there ... a dog?" (I hope that's not disrespectful, including to anyone who suffers dyslexia--I have enough oddities that you are welcome to laugh at, but this isn't laughing at dyslexics at all---I don't want to be disrespectful, to anyone. But it really made me laugh, what an odd feeling that would be...)

[EDIT: slight changes for clarity.]

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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post #21

I'm just going to talk about something semi-related since the article is trash. This is all anecdotal btw. The concept of virtue. I find that people who are religious talk about virtue more than those who don't. I'm not saying that they are virtuous, just that they seem to think/talk about it more. I see certain virtues on the rise like frugalness, humanity, wholesomeness, but then there are others I see on a decline…

>> I find that people who are religious talk about virtue more than those who don't

There's a lot of practical stored up value in the religion that I practice - listening to the wisdom of generations of people certainly helps with discerning how it live well in the short time we have here on this earth.

While I have no doubt that a sensitive and intelligent person could figure most of this out for themselves, it would take them most of their lives - and I suspect that by then their life would be too spent to be able enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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post #21

I'm just going to talk about something semi-related since the article is trash. This is all anecdotal btw. The concept of virtue. I find that people who are religious talk about virtue more than those who don't. I'm not saying that they are virtuous, just that they seem to think/talk about it more. I see certain virtues on the rise like frugalness, humanity, wholesomeness, but then there are others I see on a decline…

It seems to me that the nonreligious have somewhat the same idea of virtue. They just have different applications of the same virtues.

They both think that non-judgmentalism is a virtue. (So should a Christian - "Judge not, lest you also be judged".) They both do judge things that they consider overtly wrong, though. Some Christians consider certain sexual practices wrong; some atheists consider less than full acceptance of gay marriage to be wrong (and judge people for it).

They both think that self-restraint is a virtue. Some Christians think that in terms of not sleeping with everyone you're attracted to; some atheists think that in terms of consuming less to lower your carbon footprint.

The atheists are still thinking in terms of virtues, and of morals, even if they don't use those words. They even think that some of the same things are virtues. They just think they should be lived out in dramatically different ways.

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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Didn't bother reading the article since most comments say it's worthless. I expected a talk about measured brain activity. I was raised a catholic, and the most prevalent feelings I got out of that was paranoia and fear. They teach you there's an omnipresent, omniscient, all-powerful being judging your every thought 24/7, for all your life. He's personally interested in you, he says he loves you dearly, but for some…

As a religious person, I wouldn't personally teach the fear business that you describe. Choices matter, and I believe He has provided us consequences, as well as opportunity for complete forgiveness and tremendous opportunity for learning and growth, with family ties and other benefits that can go beyond the grave. Details at http://lukecall.net/e-9223372036854587400.html (a simple site).

(Maybe I should have made my other related comment, which is elsewhere on the page, as a reply to yours instead. In case it is of interest.)

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"But here's the kicker: an atheist beleives that there is no god" Nope. A-theist simply means someone who lacks theism. I don't posit that there is no god, I simply don't believe there is any evidence or reason for me to believe in one. The burden of proof is yours my friend. "What's your best atheist argument?" I don't need one any more than I need a "best argument" against the existence of pixies. The default posit…

"Nope. A-theist simply means someone who lacks theism." Actually it was coined by theists without a strict reference to the greek and was defined as "To Deny the gods/God". Lately, the OED modified the definition to "To Deny or disbelieve in the gods/God", which is actually quite a radical change and has thoroughly muddied the waters of discourse. But really, think about it: if atheists are going to call religious pe…

What Dawkins says is not true of all atheists. Also, there is the difference of positive and negative atheism. Dawkins also has the scale of atheism 1 to 7, and he himself ranks 6 on that scale apparently. Some religious people are good people and some non-religious people are good people. And then, there are also agnostics, ignostics, and meta-agnostics. And then, there is Tom Swiss.

In terms of your "either you: 1) 2) 3)" there is the fourth possibility that the question isn't very meaningful, and you forgot that one.

Also, some scientist and mathematics and computer programmers are religious, but some aren't, and as long as it doesn't interfere with your work, it is OK.

Re: What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God

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A great deal of speculation in that article. Sounds more like psycotherapy ideas than real psychology/neuroscience. Meanwhile, let's look at the (paraphrased) claims: "Science is not compatible with religion." Yet the Big Bang theory was invented by a physicist who went on to become a Catholic priest, George Lemaitre. And the father of modern genetics is not Darwin but a catholic monk, Gregor Mendel. hmmm. Both had g…

Rather than Atheist arguments, I prefer how the Church of Satan deals with religion, challenging hypocrisy with silly but strong legal arguments. I think Atheists should change from arguing whether a god exists or not to challenging the self-serving frauds found in fundamentalist churches in the US Bible Belt. So much money and time is wasted in those mega-churches that could be better spent actually helping those in…

That is a valid point. There is people doing bad stuff and they say by religion or by God (not all people doing bad stuff is, but a lot is). And, yes, you should challenge it and try to stop such bad thing. Yes, I believe you, so much money and time is wasted in those mega-churches that could be better spent actually helping those in need. (Some churches maybe do help those in need sometimes, but many don't. And you don't need to be religious to help someone, anyways.)
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