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Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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Just to add. I'm Not sure if it's just a policy thing, but when a windows rdp session locks, pasting the password is blocked. Manually typing the password becomes a pain. I really hope anything that blocks pasting in forms has good reason, an not just psuedo security

If you have a Microsoft or Logitech mouse you can map a button to a macro that types your password. It works well with rdp password fields.

FYI you still appear to be shadow banned.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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Hi, I made this. It seems like most of you are as enraged as I am about some of these password rules. They just flat out make me mad. It's not much, but I've actually had one company reach out to me after making it on the list and they made their password rules less dumb. So, if you find any particularly egregious offenders, do your part and submit a PR. It may actually make a difference.

> I've actually had one company reach out to me after making it on the list and they made their password rules less dumb. That’s a huge win! My pet peeve is sites that block pasting, say, from a password manager (glaring at you, Costco signup page). Those sites don’t usually include “do not paste” in the listed requirements, so this doesn’t really work with your screenshot approach. Ideas?

Dunno about educating all those idiots, but for mitigating their idiocy I have a two-line AutoHotKey script (this is in Windows) called FakePaste mapped to ctrl-shift-alt-V. All it does is read from the clipboard and pretend to type those characters, one per 100ms if I recall correctly, or maybe I set it to 200ms. AHK can mimic keypresses at the system level, so it defeats whatever silly shit anyone tries to do in the browser. It's as if you were typing. If you're on Windows and willing to install AutoHotKey I can give you the script.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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I've been getting pretty annoyed by the "Security Questions" some sites have you setup.

A client I work with gave me a vendor account, with a preset list of security questions I had to answer. One was 'What was the color of your first car?'. I typed in 'Red', and got an error that the entry needed to be at least 4 characters long.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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> I've actually had one company reach out to me after making it on the list and they made their password rules less dumb. That’s a huge win! My pet peeve is sites that block pasting, say, from a password manager (glaring at you, Costco signup page). Those sites don’t usually include “do not paste” in the listed requirements, so this doesn’t really work with your screenshot approach. Ideas?

> My pet peeve is sites that block pasting Firefox: about:config: dom.event.clipboardevents.enabled, toggle to "false" (default is true). Result: websites can no longer block you from pasting things into form fields on your own browser on your own computer.

I used to set this permanently, but discovered if you use facebook making status updates and comments become broken due to how fb seems to scan your input to apply styling.

But I often have to toggle it off temporarily to bypass the stupid copy/paste blocks.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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> I've actually had one company reach out to me after making it on the list and they made their password rules less dumb. That’s a huge win! My pet peeve is sites that block pasting, say, from a password manager (glaring at you, Costco signup page). Those sites don’t usually include “do not paste” in the listed requirements, so this doesn’t really work with your screenshot approach. Ideas?

I've noticed a number of sites now are doing something that interferes with the password manager (Lastpass in this case). Common problems are either that autofill doesn't work (even explicitly clicking autofill does nothing), or they put a button in the username/password field that's exactly where Lastpass puts its button, so it's impossible to click. I don't get it -- don't the sites want users to use more secure pa…

I contacted my credit union about this and they responded their auditors required it for security compliance reasons. Thankfully after many months they "fixed" it by removing the restrictions... but made the login a multipage ordeal which still breaks my pw manager.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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Reasonable upper limits don't bother me all that much. If you're going to store a hashed password, you want to choose an expensive hash algorithm (It's been a while since I looked at this, but I don't think bcrypt is standard anymore?) and that complexity is meant to be computationally ridiculous, and probably scales with length. Good security dictates a minimum length, and practical avoidance of your login form bein…

Why not have one round of hashing in the browser? That way the input to your server-side hash function is fixed-length, whether the users password is 20 characters or 20 billion, and DOS attackers are only hurting their own computers.

Wouldn't that just turn the attacker's problem into brute forcing the client-side hash? Might be a problem if the client-side hash has a lower total complexity than the longer original password. I dunno though; just pondering out loud, I'm by no means an expert on this stuff.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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I've been getting pretty annoyed by the "Security Questions" some sites have you setup. A client I work with gave me a vendor account, with a preset list of security questions I had to answer. One was 'What was the color of your first car?'. I typed in 'Red', and got an error that the entry needed to be at least 4 characters long.

Another nasty experience I had recently: On an account I hadn't used for ages and for unexplicable reasons was not covered by my pw manager they did not present me the security question for password reset. Instead they gave me the whole list and said answer the security question you had chosen at registration. Of course I didn't remember, the list had no option I would always pick.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

#158

From the GitHub issue about BMO: The original entry didn't even fully capture the stupidity of the BMO password system (which I recognize they have now fixed). The most egregious part was not that your password had to be only 6 characters. It was that whatever password you chose ended up getting mapped to where those characters were on a telephone keypad. So, for example if your password was passwo, you were also abl…

From what I remember, their online banking system was built on their legacy telephone banking system.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

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Sites that go to lengths to block paste should burn. I use a password manager, and copying the pass manually feels so damn 1970s. Or I can try to diddle around in Developer Tools and try to unfoobar the paste.

Re: Sites with dumb password rules

#160
Many complaints are that non-ASCII characters (which all but one European languages have natively) are not allowed. While I agree that allowing them would be good for password security past experience has made me paranoid. Not all systems handle non-ASCII the same way, so when you change browsers or they upgrade their system your password might no longer work. Today Unicode is used a lot so it gets better, but it's still not universal. The worst I have seen is a system that silently removed all non-ASCII characters when entering passwords.
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