Tesla’s Autopilot found partly to blame for 2018 crash on the 405

Post by tim333 » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 2:09 PM UTC

quotemstr wrote: post #167

I worry much more about public overreaction to rare incidents slowing and overregulating self driving technology than I do about the rare crash here and there. Overall statistical safety is what matters, and statistics goes out the window when the public emotionally fixates on specific mishaps and demands regulation that slows and cripples overall-safe technology. Everyone believes, without reason, that he is a good…

Post by dahfizz » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

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This is completely ridiculous. Adults drive into stationary objects all the time. 4 year olds walk into stationary objects all the time. As far as I'm concerned, there is only one criterion that matters when evaluating self driving cars: is it better than human drivers? The fact that we are still discussing this _one_ accident that happened _a year ago_ indicates to me that the answer is a resounding yes.

> As far as I'm concerned, there is only one criterion that matters when evaluating self driving cars: is it better than human drivers? By that measure, no tech company has contributed more to self-driving than Facebook Inc, masters of distraction. Relative safety isn't a good metric.

Post by Fins » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 3:16 PM UTC

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Well, we could also talk about the time the Tesla accelerated into a gore point when the lead car followed the lane to the overpass. Or the couple of times the Tesla drove into a semi trailer. Or the several other stationary emergency vehicles they've hit. At least the semi's were moving. We don't really know how well the Tesla automation does vs human drivers, because the statistics are complex, and Tesla only gives…

> The capabilities that Tesla cars have aren't that much different than other luxury cars, ... because their marketing It's actually somewhat impressive, if frustrating, how well Tesla's marketing works. In a previous article here a couple of weeks ago, a Tesla owner was touting "how much better" Tesla's blind spot monitoring was than "other manufacturers", because it took speed differentials into account, while my 2…

Post by whenchamenia » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 3:27 PM UTC

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> Why's it hard? That humans get distracted and often make mistakes is no surprise, it should also be obvious that the amount of risky behavior is correlated to the amount of _perceived_ risk in any given situation, which is probably why so many are "a simple crash." It is, however, somewhat scary that a machine that has nothing else to do other than to drive the car as safely as possible still makes these "dumb" mis…

Adaptive cruise control makes dumb mistakes. Cruise control makes dumb mistakes. I know people who think automatic transmissions makes people worse drivers.

Post by xboxnolifes » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 4:28 PM UTC

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There was a period of a few years where I drove a track-prepped race car on the street daily, with out of state plates for emissions reasons, and it resulted in a lot of police encounters.

Has there been any studies of this? I think it’s well known that if you drive a sports car you get pulled over more often, but I drive a beat up pickup in the south of USA and almost never get pulled over even though I’m frequently 5-10 MPH over the speed limit. Would be interesting to see pickup vs a normal mid range sedan vs sports cars in numbers. Maybe throw in out of state plates as an extra variable.