I'll be getting one of these when hell freezes over. If that means starting my own Internet, then that's exactly what I'll do.
I don't understand, will this ID be required to connect to the Internet? If not (say it's only used like SSNs are now) I don't see how starting your own internet would help.
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Just out of curiosity, if the national government in the UK doesn't issue IDs, who does? Counties? Cities?
Passports are issued by the UK Passport Office, and driving licenses by the DVLA (Driving & Vehicles Licensing Association). These are both effectively government agencies. However, as having a passport or a driving license is not compulsory, there were plans to have a national identity card, as is the case in many European countries that would be compulsory for all adults. This has fairly recently been scrapped befo…
I have a national identity document, and I fail to see the problem with it.
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#173Is this done anywhere else in the world? It is the scariest of the scary Big Brother measures I've seen recently...
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#174Is this done anywhere else in the world? It is the scariest of the scary Big Brother measures I've seen recently...
Sweden has something similar, called E-legitimation. Issued by banks, mostly used for accessing government services, like applying for student loans, paying taxes, etc. If it's only intended to be used in this kind of way, no problem. If not...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identification_number#...
I've got to say, having a personnummer makes dealing with the Government and businesses a bit smoother and more efficient.
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I don't understand, will this ID be required to connect to the Internet? If not (say it's only used like SSNs are now) I don't see how starting your own internet would help.
I think what he is suggesting is making a new Internet. Long term this will have to be done at some point. We will have to create a peer-to-peer based net that is not connected (or at least doesn't rely on) the current one.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just out of curiosity, if the national government in the UK doesn't issue IDs, who does? Counties? Cities?
Passports are issued by the UK Passport Office, and driving licenses by the DVLA (Driving & Vehicles Licensing Association). These are both effectively government agencies. However, as having a passport or a driving license is not compulsory, there were plans to have a national identity card, as is the case in many European countries that would be compulsory for all adults. This has fairly recently been scrapped befo…
* First up we gotta biometrically scan every citizen of the United Kingdom for starters. That's 64 million people.
- Scanners
- Appointment Management
- Advertising Campaigns (to remind people to register/go)
- Chasing people who aren't registered
* Then for that to make sense you need to be able to validate people in places.
- Invest in technology to biometrically match people (readers etc)
- Train users/operators
- Handle the kinks in that tech (complaints, false positives).
- Handle any legal issues.
- Create the back end system to auth (somewhat non trivial)
- Load balance
- Security Checks, Penetration testing, etc, etc. No point in the whole system if its easily spoofed, right?
Then of course we need to produce the cards and send all the cards to those 64 million people. Also this system is supposed to integrate with existing government systems. You can imagine what I nightmare that probably was going to be.
My point being that its only a database and some photocards in the sense that I can write Stackoverflow in a weekend ;).
Tbh your belief that it was only photocards means that you probably didn't appreciate the full scope of the legislation. It actually sickened me how the entire focus of the debate on the ID system was on the cards when they were the least important aspect of it.
If I wore a tin-foil hat i'd even go so far as to suggest that politicians intentionally focused on the card part of it to divert our attention from the rest of it.
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#178I'll be getting one of these when hell freezes over. If that means starting my own Internet, then that's exactly what I'll do.
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How does the national government issuing identification cards lead to totalitarianism?
Well, if you have a national ID, it's a lot easier to require ID when taking public transit (especially if they have RFID tags: "wave your ID to activate the ticket kiosk!"). That is certainly a step towards, while not necessarily totalitarianism, the sort of police state which I doubt that anyone would want to live in. The problem isn't that national IDs will cause totalitarianism; they won't. The problem is that th…
If it were a private system and the company who owns it required you identify yourself so they can track your movement, would you also be upset?
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I would like to see more local (at the town level) shared networks. Something like cheap wi-fi base stations (really cheap!) that could link up a local area and have a good directory of what material people host to be shared, local bulletin boards, etc. I live in a rural area and several of my friends are going the self sufficient route and my wife and I are at least putting in enough solar panels to generate about 3…
I would like to see more local (at the town level) shared networks. Something like cheap wi-fi base stations [...] Here in Germany, we have an initiative that is devoted to exactly that problem. It is called "Freifunk" and has been deployed successfully to other countries. http://wiki.freifunk.net/Kategorie:English The Freifunk hackers did some amazing work to provide the needed firmware for many of the cheap standar…