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WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

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Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#81

Adam Neumann is a genius at finding ways to increase his net worth as founder of a VC backed company. [0] WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork - https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/01/16/wework-c...

He's a genius in the same way Ponzi was a genius. I don't find this type of "Genius" particularly commendable.

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#82

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It's 6 million real dollars.

I can imagine he could sell 6 mil. in stock without damaging the price.

Whereas -- and this was implicit in my comment -- playing pissant games like this almost certainly hurts the stock price.

It also screams that you ought to be closely auditing expenses from every member of the cxo team.

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#83
According to Wikipedia One WTC cost 3,9 billion USD to build. It's 325,279 m2 floor area, or 12 000 USD/m2.

WeWork claims 3,7 million m2 office space and a 47 billion USD "valuation", or 12 700 USD/m2.

So the valuation of WeWork per square metre they rent, is about the same as the cost of One WTC per square metre ...

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1533523/000119312519...

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#85

According to Wikipedia One WTC cost 3,9 billion USD to build. It's 325,279 m2 floor area, or 12 000 USD/m2. WeWork claims 3,7 million m2 office space and a 47 billion USD "valuation", or 12 700 USD/m2. So the valuation of WeWork per square metre they rent , is about the same as the cost of One WTC per square metre ... https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1533523/000119312519...

>According to Wikipedia One WTC cost 3,9 billion USD to build. It's 325,279 m2 floor area, or 12 000 USD/m2.

That doesn't include land value, does it? A significant chunk of the lease is to pay for the land value.

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#86
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, the $6m is so... pissant. Like WeWork made Adam a (multi!) billionaire. What is he doing scamming WeWork over $6m?

It's 6 million real dollars.

He already sold $700m of stock for real money just before the IPO.

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#87

According to Wikipedia One WTC cost 3,9 billion USD to build. It's 325,279 m2 floor area, or 12 000 USD/m2. WeWork claims 3,7 million m2 office space and a 47 billion USD "valuation", or 12 700 USD/m2. So the valuation of WeWork per square metre they rent , is about the same as the cost of One WTC per square metre ... https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1533523/000119312519...

There is nothing in your statement above that seems remotely surprising to me. Now, I'm extremely bearish about WeWork, and their financials (not to mention their governance) look horrible at least from my layman's eye, but you seem to be arguing above that WeWork is overvalued based on the comparison to a real, physical asset.

If there is anything the Internet has shown, it is (unfortunately, IMO) that all the money is to be made in marketing, not in actually building or selling things. I mean, Google absolutely rakes it in with AdWords, while all the businesses actually buying AdWords to sell real products often lose money (Mary Meeker's latest report showed how customer acquisition costs are starting to exceed the lifetime value of customers!!)

Thus, in and of itself, I don't find it odd that a marketing and management company like WeWork is worth more than the products they rent.

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#88

If even 10% of all McDonald's offered high speed wifi, accessible power outlets, and maybe some nice desks, I feel they would destroy this company.

McDonald's isn't in the business of providing seats for people nursing a coffee for a couple of hours. Not that there's any shortage of people who spend at least some time working out of cafes and coffeeshops.

However, in general, those don't really substitute for an office. Even an open floor plan office like WeWork mostly is.

Yes, at the margins, if someone doesn't really need an office, WeWork or its competitors are sort of a luxury that can be done without. But if someone wants to/has to work outside of their home, possibly with co-workers, have meetings in conference rooms from time to time, etc., the local Starbucks is probably not going to cut it.

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#89

According to Wikipedia One WTC cost 3,9 billion USD to build. It's 325,279 m2 floor area, or 12 000 USD/m2. WeWork claims 3,7 million m2 office space and a 47 billion USD "valuation", or 12 700 USD/m2. So the valuation of WeWork per square metre they rent , is about the same as the cost of One WTC per square metre ... https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1533523/000119312519...

That's comparing apple to oranges though. Construction cost doesn't include land value, and WeWork is basically re-renting land and equipment. The construction costs are the least important part of what WeWork does.

Re: WeWork CEO gives back $5.9M from 'We' trademark after criticism

#90
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Thanks very much for posting that, was very informative. My favorite tidbit was when Molly Wood was saying that she heard from a financial analysis firm that specializes in obfuscation that this was the most unclear S1 they had ever seen in terms of hiding basic financial metrics, and the other guest said he couldn't even figure out what the GAAP margin was after reading the S1. That to me is more damning than any ot…

For those curious, the other guest was Alex Wilhelm, a regular financial reporter of startups and their S1s. He's pretty well-equipped to dig into them.

He said in that video that the information contained in the S-1 was worthless. If in the know journalists are trashing it then who is going to be buying this stock?
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