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In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share, please consider doing the following: 1. Evangelize Firefox to people you know any chance you get and show them all the reasons why its better than Chrome (focus on privacy as an important point). Show them how great browsing can be with a few key extensions (like uBlock Origin, Containers, Privacy Possum, etc.). This does not imply that Mo…

Privacy Possum? You mean Privacy Badger?

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I cannot understand this way of thinking. I want Mozilla to build a browser and a mail program. Nothing else. It's easy as that. And if I have to "fear" that they will use my money to build something else, I will not donate to them. Think of them as a company with several products. People would buy Firefox, they would buy Thunderbird, but probably nobody would buy the aforementioned "moz://" product or Pocket. In a…

FWIW people do buy Pocket. https://getpocket.com/premium?ep=1

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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> The block might appeal to users, but is potentially worrying to publishers Yes, let's have pity on these poor publishers who are relentless infiltrating and measuring our online lives so they can squeeze a few more bucks out of the data grab. Trackers have gotten insidious. I have privacy badger and on one particular news site there were 36 distinct trackers. And somehow they're still getting around the blockers be…

> The block might appeal to users, but is potentially worrying to publishers

This is idiotic because tracking is GOOD FOR GOOGLE and BAD FOR PUBLISHERS. If the saying in advertising is that half of your budget is wasted, why the hell would publishers want to tell advertisers which half?

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share, please consider doing the following: 1. Evangelize Firefox to people you know any chance you get and show them all the reasons why its better than Chrome (focus on privacy as an important point). Show them how great browsing can be with a few key extensions (like uBlock Origin, Containers, Privacy Possum, etc.). This does not imply that Mo…

The norel link modifier extension is great to. Stops sites you open from links changeing pages of the previous tabs.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Switched to Firefox a few months back. Havn’t missed Chrome at all

To offer a bit of an opposite view here on HN: I give firefox a shot from time to time. I switch all devices to it, and then I use it exclusively all the time. My most recent attempt failed few days ago, after a bit more than a month with it. Firefox performance just doesn't feel the same as chrome, from constant small freezes, to using 100% CPU pretty often. And just overall experience on some platforms - especially…

For Mac users that want to get away from chrome for privacy reasons, I’d look at safari & the chromium based edge browser. Firefox isn’t in the same league on Mac, it’s not a priority and it shows.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Switched to Firefox a few months back. Havn’t missed Chrome at all

What about Chrome's F12 debugging? I miss that when I use Firefox.

A minor quibble I have with Firefox's Dev Tools is that in Responsive Design Mode, there's no way to simply select "Fit to screen" as a Zoom level. If you're on a laptop, you'll have to scroll to see the full emulated viewport.

I think touch recognition is better on Chrome too, as sliders and other touch-sensitive UI elements feel a bit more laggy in FF.

On mobile, I'm happy using Brave, which is Chromium but allows you turn off scripts if you want to (goodbye autoplaying videos). On desktop, FF all the way. Except when I need to use Dev Tools.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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> The block might appeal to users, but is potentially worrying to publishers Yes, let's have pity on these poor publishers who are relentless infiltrating and measuring our online lives so they can squeeze a few more bucks out of the data grab. Trackers have gotten insidious. I have privacy badger and on one particular news site there were 36 distinct trackers. And somehow they're still getting around the blockers be…

> The block might appeal to users, but is potentially worrying to publishers This is idiotic because tracking is GOOD FOR GOOGLE and BAD FOR PUBLISHERS. If the saying in advertising is that half of your budget is wasted, why the hell would publishers want to tell advertisers which half?

Advertisers aren't going to pay more than the traffic is worth. If 1/2 of your advertising is going to people who would never be interested in the product and you can cut that group out you're willing to pay approximately 2x as much. If all users were equally of interest to all advertisers this wouldn't matter, but that's very much not the case.

Imagine you're a publisher, and your audience can be divided as 50% coffee drinkers and 50% tea drinkers. Without tracking, you have advertisers each paying you $X to run site-wide ads, while with tracking you can get closer to $2X because the coffee sellers target only the coffee drinkers and the same with tea.

(Disclosure: I work for Google on ads, speaking for myself)

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are made up reasons. If you have a solid definition of what is needed and what not, this is no problem at all.

Please tell me, how is server dying, need immediate replacement "made up"? How is a flood disaster in organizational building "made up"? Sure, I made them up on a whim, but they're based on real scenarios that restricted funding may not cover.

Not my monkey, not my circus.

Here's a way to avoid having to deal with restrictions on the funds raised from people: become a regular company that sells a product.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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> The block might appeal to users, but is potentially worrying to publishers Yes, let's have pity on these poor publishers who are relentless infiltrating and measuring our online lives so they can squeeze a few more bucks out of the data grab. Trackers have gotten insidious. I have privacy badger and on one particular news site there were 36 distinct trackers. And somehow they're still getting around the blockers be…

Wired is a (particularly) tracking-reliant publisher, so I'm not particularly surprised that they adopted this tone. I also hope that any sort of tracking-based business model goes extinct. Unfortunately, in the case of online publishing, consumers have repeatedly rejected micropayments (most recently Blendle[1]), which I believe is the only viable alternative. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blendle

Respectable news organizations have traditionally at least played lip service to keeping their journalists/editors separate from their business/advertising people, such that the journalists are free to publish articles that run contrary to the business interests of the paper. (Example: https://www.nytimes.com/editorial-standards/ethical-journali...)

Of course, Wired is not a respectable publication, and this just goes to show that.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is the ad tracking also blockad in Firefox mobile?

From what I understand, Firefox Mobile isn't one thing. On iOS it's safari under the surface. On Android it's a distinct code-base.

There might not be the level of control that you speak of in the iOS variant.

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