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In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by hgoel »

mcv wrote: post #235
avip wrote: post #175

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Possibly because affirmative diversity could be seen as incompatible with meritocracy.

But a lack of diversity is a sign of a lack of meritocracy: clearly not all talent gets an equal chance to flourish. Trying to get more talent on board is valuable.

A lack of diversity isn't in and of itself a sign of a lack of meritocracy, and nor is simply increasing diversity a sign of meritocracy.

It's misguided to think that by manually ensuring diversity (eg. By hiring someone for simply being a qualified minority rather than necessarily the best candidate) is pushing for meritocracy.

If diversity programs were interested in maintaining meritocracy while increasing diversity, they'd focus their energy on uplifting poor families through things like training or scholarship programs so their kids have a better shot at life.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

hgoel wrote: post #241
mcv wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a lack of diversity is a sign of a lack of meritocracy: clearly not all talent gets an equal chance to flourish. Trying to get more talent on board is valuable.

A lack of diversity isn't in and of itself a sign of a lack of meritocracy, and nor is simply increasing diversity a sign of meritocracy. It's misguided to think that by manually ensuring diversity (eg. By hiring someone for simply being a qualified minority rather than necessarily the best candidate) is pushing for meritocracy. If diversity programs were interested in maintaining meritocracy while increasing diversi…

That's the usual line, that assume no qualified minority candidates exist. Which is, at root, a biased assumption already.

E.g. Stanford (used to) vigorously recruited qualified minority candidates to help improve diversity on campus.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by vincent-toups »

a254613e wrote: post #78
shadykiller wrote: post #3

Switched to Firefox a few months back. Havn’t missed Chrome at all

To offer a bit of an opposite view here on HN: I give firefox a shot from time to time. I switch all devices to it, and then I use it exclusively all the time. My most recent attempt failed few days ago, after a bit more than a month with it. Firefox performance just doesn't feel the same as chrome, from constant small freezes, to using 100% CPU pretty often. And just overall experience on some platforms - especially…

I switched to Firefox on my iPhone and my screen time went dramatically down, which is both cool and good. In a world of highly optimized engagement hacking, a less smooth experience is actually good, arguably.

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Post by Ensorceled »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #217
Ensorceled wrote: post #201

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Mozilla is quite open about what they do and where the money goes, nobody is lying: "The direct work of the Mozilla Foundation focuses on fueling the movement for a healthy internet. We do this by supporting a diverse group of fellows working on key internet issues, connecting open Internet leaders at events like MozFest, publishing critical research in the Internet Health Report, and rallying citizens around advocac…

But what if you want to only support software development and not social development? I think this is the crux of this thread of discussion.

The thread I'm replying to has moved on to implying Mozilla is being misleading by using funding or social development.

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Post by hgoel »

Insanity wrote: post #232
ecmascript wrote: post #126

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He funded such a campaign, yes. With his private money on his free time. That is not discrimination. He even wrote sorry for causing hurt and pledged to promote equality at Mozilla. Your comment is a prime example of what's wrong with the tech industry in my opinion.

Happy to be an example against discrimination. :) People should be held accountable for such views. It should be clear to anyone that having "an opinion" which discriminates a whole group of people is not that same as sharing an opinion about Star Wars..

So people should lose their livelihoods for having controversial views that the elites in big cities don't like? It isn't even as if his opinion was interfering with his professional responsibilities.

Same-sex marriage was a very hot topic just a few years ago, should we unperson everyone who was ever against the cause? Even though the entire point of having freedom of speech and association is to allow safe political discourse?

Where would you draw the line? Next do we start firing everyone who supports Trump? Every conservative? Anyone against late-term abortions?

It's a shame that you don't seem to appreciate the value of diversity of thought.

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Post by dcbadacd »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #16
robin_reala wrote: post #7

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Depends what you’re doing. Firefox’s dev tools are definitely better at CSS debugging for example.

Indeed. I always wondered why folks praise Chrome devtools which are pretty meh at CSS.

Try debugging CORS, CSP or SRI failures in FF. Much much more painful.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by Ensorceled »

nulbyte wrote: post #218
Ensorceled wrote: post #202

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"private money" ... his salary, paid in small part by my donation to Mozilla, going to a cause that I definitely don't support. Seems we are full circle.

Is it your argument that he should only be paid his salary if he passes a litmus test? Or should he be paid his salary for the work he agreed to perform in exchange for it? In any case, I don't know that firing him was about his opinion (I hope not), but about the distraction the press coverage caused. I found it unfortunate nonetheless, even as a gay activist.

No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in being concerned that donations to Mozilla can go to funding causes somebody doesn't believe in while also being upset for firing the CEO for funding causes somebody doesn't believe in.

I contacted Mozilla and told them I would never give them another nickle as long as their CEO was evil. I find it hard to believe you were ok with it.

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Post by zapzupnz »

zapzupnz wrote: post #157
throwaway8941 wrote: post #14

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Yep, this hasn't been my experience at all (quite the opposite). I've been reading this FUD for as long as Chrome has been around (10 years?), and when you ask the person for concrete numbers, all you get back is "I don't know, it just feels like it". I stopped engaging at this point. Edit: not to mention that you can configure the number of webrender processes Firefox uses to render web pages. If you have a fast eno…

> all you get back is "I don't know, it just feels like it". I stopped engaging at this point. Good job you don't work in user experience design, then, because how things feel to people is a huge part of that. If software feels bad to use, people won't use it, simple as that. No amount of haughtiness from your high horse will change that.

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/performance-matters/ was a good article that I'm sure came up in HN about two weeks ago that covers this very point. It pays not to be dismissive about peoples' feelings when it comes to software, particularly around speed; they do matter.

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Post by protomyth »

interactivecode wrote: post #68
skocznymroczny wrote: post #57

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

Yikes why would you not want companies investing in diversity? Especially if they are the interface to our online world?

Because Mozilla's version of diversity ignores the people I wish would get a shot in technology. I can donate to local initiatives myself. I especially don't want my "interface to our online world" to have opinions on the subject.

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Post by Fnoord »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #148
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #59

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In the same way that nobody likes taxes, traffic stops, or insurance salesmen, but almost anyone sees their necessity, things can be beneficial without being enjoyable .

I don't see the necessity of insurance salesmen . It's a particular way the industry decided to organize itself, but it isn't prima facie necessary for insurance - the valuable part - to function. As for taxes and traffic stops, these help me and people around me. Advertising is made to hurt me, to rob me of my money by subtly manipulating my consumption choices. It's a malicious act.

> Advertising is made to hurt me, to rob me of my money by subtly manipulating my consumption choices. It's a malicious act.

And your focus/time. The image I have of Las Vegas drives me insane. I find it peculiar such attention thievery is even legal, or deemed safe.

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