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Re: Android 10

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Post by Mindwipe »

kbenson wrote: post #444
Mindwipe wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err, WhatsApp does use phone numbers as identifiers rather than service profiles, which is why it is ubiquitous in most of the world (much more than iMessage).

If you install WhatsApp and I don't, and you send a message to my number what happens? I know what happens with SMS and RCS (which falls back to SMS), which is that it works, because every phone has it. If WhatsApp doesn't just work, then it's at a severe disadvantage any way you look at it. Coordinating the 10 people in my family group to not only install a new app, but choose it the next time they want to send a me…

> If you install WhatsApp and I don't, and you send a message to my number what happens?

You can't, WhatsApp will only let you send to numbers that also have WhatsApp installed.

There's an "invite friends" sharesheet that will send a signup URL, but that's it.

> If WhatsApp doesn't just work, then it's at a severe disadvantage any way you look at it.

Ultimately WhatsApp has won in most of the world, so this clearly isn't that big of a problem.

Re: Android 10

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Post by ubercow13 »

wyldfire wrote: post #227
ubercow13 wrote: post #217

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You refute your main point in your second paragraph - they do inform you of key changes

It's a subtle point, but I would describe "end to end" as covering the humans on both ends. Your WhatsApp client on your phone participates in the key regeneration and/or key update without user interaction. WhatsApp's default UI configuration doesn't notify anyone about key changes. Defaults matter, defaults for secure software matters extra. Nearly no one enables this notification feature. And even if they did, the…

What do you mean regarding old messages? I thought whatsapp didn’t store any old messages and chat history only existed on your device?

Re: Android 10

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Post by signal11 »

unicornporn wrote: post #293
alistproducer2 wrote: post #206

I recently bought a Nokia 2.2, which in in the Android One program. Two main reasons: a removable battery and OS updates for two years and security for 3. At this point, there's very little difference between the hardware of flagships and commodity, especially considering the real-world use of smartphones. I mean, is anyone compiling programs on these things or doing anything particularly intensive? Not really. So gi…

> a removable battery and OS updates for two years This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years ? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. I have a Nexus 5 as a backup phone. It works just as well as my main handset. I know how to duck the G-surveillance and I'm able to keep it alive because I have the knowledge to install roms. Not everyone does…

This. 2 years (and 3 for security) is a joke.

Re: Android 10

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Post by panpanna »

megaremote wrote: post #360
kllrnohj wrote: post #314

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Apple does also cut features when they roll out those updates though. Not all iOS versions are equal. It is a shame Android's update story is bad, but realistically it also doesn't matter much. Non-enthusiasts tend to not even want major updates in the first place (it's a chore - especially if anything changed on them). It sucks for app developers a lot more than it matters to the majority consumer.

> Apple does also cut features when they roll out those updates though. Not all iOS versions are equal. Only when the hardware does not support the features.

It is widely established that Apple selectively disables features on previous generations to force people buy new ones.

Example: with ios7 siri was disabled for some devices. Worked just fine on jailbroken devices.

Re: Android 10

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Post by shrikant »

ubercow13 wrote: post #226
vitobcn wrote: post #200

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In my experience, in most countries (and outside the US especially) WhatsApp has already won the network effects battle, and it's the default messaging app in any smartphone. Even people with iPhone will all have WhatsApp installed.

In western Europe maybe, not in Asia for example

Where in Asia? The #1 (by a VERY LARGE margin) messaging apps in India, China, and S. Korea (at least) are all not iMessage.

(Whatsapp, WeChat, and KakaoTalk respectively.)

Re: Android 10

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Post by panpanna »

sciurus wrote: post #376
kllrnohj wrote: post #299

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> Are we supposed to be happy with two years? The environmental impact of e-waste should not be understated. Note it's 2 years of feature updates not 2 years and it turns into a brick. Everything will still work and you'll still get new apps and app updates for far longer than 2 years. Security updates go for longer, too.

I checked https://www.android.com/one/ and see monthly security updates are promised for three years.

Note that this is the minimum requirement by contract.

Samsung for example is still updating 4 year old note devices.

Re: Android 10

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Post by nudpiedo »

derrikcurran wrote: post #384
codedokode wrote: post #276

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The images are awful (at least in Firefox). They are compressed even worse than Google Developer Insight usually recommends. The text in screenshots is barely readable. The dark theme is uncomfortable for my eyes (ok, maybe it's fault of my poor quality TN matrix, but anyway I don't want to see it). I doubt anyone wants to read white text on a black background. The letters are gigantic and are optimized for hi-resolu…

> I doubt anyone wants to read white text on a black background. I do! Much less eye strain and easier to read for me. In fact, I read your comment in white text on a black background. My eyes are very sensitive to light in general though.

I hope you know that black color light doesn’t mean less light.

Re: Android 10

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Post by ProZsolt »

Havoc wrote: post #274
alistproducer2 wrote: post #206

I recently bought a Nokia 2.2, which in in the Android One program. Two main reasons: a removable battery and OS updates for two years and security for 3. At this point, there's very little difference between the hardware of flagships and commodity, especially considering the real-world use of smartphones. I mean, is anyone compiling programs on these things or doing anything particularly intensive? Not really. So gi…

Camera on the 1k phone will be better than the 200 phone. Somewhat relevant to the instagram generation...

When phone cameras got reasonably better (Nexus 5X) I started to carry my DSLR less and less and after a while I completely ditched it. I was still clinging to my 5X before the Pixel 3a came out because there wasn't any reasonably priced phone with a decent camera.

Re: Android 10

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Post by KitDuncan »

JorgeGT wrote: post #51
pranau wrote: post #37

I wonder how many of the features advertised here will make it onto the Android 10 release of other OEMs. In Android 9 for example, the ability to select text via OCR in the recent apps screen was limited to only the Pixel devices for some strange reason even though all Android devices had access to that feature prior to the release of Google Assistant via the Google app. In a similar vein, Digital Wellbeing was offi…

Another one: Motorola removed Android's native SIP support for VOIP from the Moto Gs user interface.

Wait, Android has native SIP support? How did I not know about this?

Re: Android 10

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Post by mcovey »

unicornporn wrote: post #293
alistproducer2 wrote: post #206

I recently bought a Nokia 2.2, which in in the Android One program. Two main reasons: a removable battery and OS updates for two years and security for 3. At this point, there's very little difference between the hardware of flagships and commodity, especially considering the real-world use of smartphones. I mean, is anyone compiling programs on these things or doing anything particularly intensive? Not really. So gi…

> a removable battery and OS updates for two years This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years ? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. I have a Nexus 5 as a backup phone. It works just as well as my main handset. I know how to duck the G-surveillance and I'm able to keep it alive because I have the knowledge to install roms. Not everyone does…

My phone is going on 3 years. No removable battery, but I followed the iFixit guide and managed to replace the battery anyway a few months ago, since it had lost a lot of capacity. I intend to keep it for another 2-3 years at least.
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