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In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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I did that a year back though I do miss a few things. One major one is task manager. Being able to identify rogue tabs is useful. Also, in general Firefox uses a lot more resources compared to Chrome. Another is the ability to smoothly zoom in/out of pages. But overall, the privacy benefits are easily worth it.

One Tab is useful to collect all your tabs in a list instead of leaving them open. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/ Also, like someone else mentioned, you can visit this in the address bar: about:performance

I know about:performance but it isn't as easy to parse as Chrome's Task Manager.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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I don’t have data to back this up, more just a hunch, but I feel like Firefox uses less resources than Chrome. Less hard drive thrashing and deals with lots of tabs really well.

Yep, this hasn't been my experience at all (quite the opposite). I've been reading this FUD for as long as Chrome has been around (10 years?), and when you ask the person for concrete numbers, all you get back is "I don't know, it just feels like it". I stopped engaging at this point. Edit: not to mention that you can configure the number of webrender processes Firefox uses to render web pages. If you have a fast eno…

I use both because my company is a Google shop and Google sites do work better on Chrome. e.g., for quite a while videos in Google Drive wouldn't play on Firefox. When having a similar number of open tabs and similar sites Firefox is always about 3-5x the CPU usage for Chrome.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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I don't agree ads are beneficial for users (or "consumers" as you put it). They could be, but you pay with your focus/time. I'd rather pay for the content then, or get a free (demo) version (I regard a RSS feed as such). Tracking, however, is on the long term never beneficial for the users. It is a behemoth of a privacy nightmare. This article is about ad trackers .

It's something a person would say with a salary depending on ads. Who likes tracking and popups? TV programming butchered? Endless garbage in the mail? Come on.

> something a person would say with a salary depending on ads

I think the vast majority of employed users on HN are to a greater or lesser degree dependant on ads. Mostly indirectly I'd guess, and with varying independent levels of cognitive dissonance and awareness of their dependence. With a little bit of thought about how their organisation actually works they can see their place in it and the impact on the wider world.

For example "I make web apps for a widget maker, we don't have ads on our websites and I'm not dependant on ads for my wage". Ask the CEO of the widget company and they will tell you that with less advertising fewer would buy their widget and they would have to fire the developer.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Indeed. I always wondered why folks praise Chrome devtools which are pretty meh at CSS.

I find the FF Dev tools to be much better but they don't have a way to inspect web sockets which I don't use but if you do.

Ok I might be suffering from bias due to familiarity. I'll give FF more of a fair shot for debugging.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

Yikes why would you not want companies investing in diversity? Especially if they are the interface to our online world?

Possibly because affirmative diversity could be seen as incompatible with meritocracy.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Indeed. I always wondered why folks praise Chrome devtools which are pretty meh at CSS.

I find the FF Dev tools to be much better but they don't have a way to inspect web sockets which I don't use but if you do.

Nightly can inspect WebSockets now.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

I get the desire to fund one specific project directly (like I get to do with Mozilla Thunderbird where I know I'm donating to that project directly) or at least have part of one's donations go to the development of Firefox. But it doesn't seem like that's possible at all. I have edited my comment above to reflect that. I personally value everything that Mozilla Foundation does (including diversity campaigns) and wou…

If you have a company, hiring FF developers who are allowed to contribute directly to Firefox may be a good contribution.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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> Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share I used to be one of these people but I am no longer. I have switched my default browser from Firefox to Brave since I cannot withstand Mozillas bullshit anymore. Not only is it a complete joke that firefox put Google Analytics on their privacy pages but their actions of "wokeness" in which they fired Brendan Eich and all their diversity s…

For anyone curious, Eich didn’t fund a political campaign but rather a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. It was struck down as unconstitutional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_... Additionally, Eich was not fired but resigned even though the Mozilla board asked him to stay. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich Judging from the parent’s multiple posts in this threa…

Forced to resigned is what actually happened. the Mozilla board is irrelevant when pretty much everyone at mozilla (and elsewhere) was against him. https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-br...

http://images.gawker.com/v4gzz90abp5suzrmel25/c_fit,fl_progr...

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share, please consider doing the following: 1. Evangelize Firefox to people you know any chance you get and show them all the reasons why its better than Chrome (focus on privacy as an important point). Show them how great browsing can be with a few key extensions (like uBlock Origin, Containers, Privacy Possum, etc.). This does not imply that Mo…

"... add more tiny annoyances on its properties to make Firefox seem buggy citing tangential things like "web standards" or "pushing the web forward" and other euphemisms that companies like Google use to crush competition."

I must say, it's great to see this brought to light in HN comments. It may be a small minority of users, but clearly some can see through this nonsense.

Although, having been a web user before there was Google, I think it is more than just Google that created this atmosphere where some browser is portrayed as being inferior to another. I think it started before Google.

Think about the influence of web developers. In the earlier days of the web, they wanted to make money by making websites. To sell those services they needed the web to have more than just basic functionality. They wanted complex browsers loaded with features that could "wow" the user, which enabled marketing and ideally commercial transactions over the web. Why would any web developer be interested in a browser that is not optimised for marketing?

Then think about the growth of websites. Today, every company has one, every organization has one. No web developer has to convince anyone anymore that they "need a website". Web developers today probably have better employment prospects than ever before. Many website owners want to make money directly or indirectly from their websites. Often they are sold on the promise of a return from advertising. Would those websites be interested in "supporting" browsers that are not optimised for web marketing?

We could create a browser for users that had all the features users needed to retrieve and view information and various media types, but which lacked features that enable easy web marketing, ads, tracking, etc. A browser that catered to users' interests above all others. This is possible. However, what would web developers and commercial websites think of such a browser?

Perhaps they would not be interested in designing websites that "worked" with such a browser. For one, they would probably argue that the market share of such a browser is too low to warrant their attention. I have seen this argument made many times on HN.

The point of this comment, which I am probably not getting across very well, is to suggest that developers themsleves are in the best position to control the market share of browsers, not users:

I have used command line TCP/HTTP clients and text-only browser for many years to retrieve information from the web. It has always worked flawlessly for my purposes and continues to do so. One of the amusing side effects of accessing websites this way is that I see all manner of messaging from web developers on websites that tries to persuade users to use one browser or another, and to make sure some browser feature is enabled. Much of it has become increasingly didactic. Developers increasingly are not asking users to comply, they are telling them they "must" do something, or else.

The vast majority of web users follow those instructions. If they are told to use some browser or else a website "will not work", then they will comply. Truthfully, it is almost always still possible to retrieve the information without the preferred browser or without the "necessary" feature. However, most users will follow the path of least resistance. They will do as the web developers tell them to do.

Users cannot be expected to simply switch to some other browser that better protects their interests. Not without cooperation from web developers and their clients, website owners.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Ideology: as a tech person, I don't want the protocols to be defined by a single entity. Many Googlers agree, even if we also know this could result in faster progress. Less constraints: Firefox does not need to block release of a new feature because an Android API it depends on got blocked by legal due to regulations in Namibia. Organisational stability: Firefox has a good revenue stream and stable leadership, with…

But how do these things see it succeeding against Chrome, or even regaining significant market share? I can't see how it could ever happen. No matter what they do they can't beat the developer and monetary resources of Google.

If Google was rich, they would fix their mistakes, but they don't have money for that.
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