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In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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It's going to be interesting to see where this ends up. Ads are inevitable, and in some ways beneficial to both content providers and consumers (i.e. revenue can be earned from users without any direct payment). But are invasive forms of tracking such as 3rd party cookies really that necessary? Could websites survive using only contextual advertising without the excessive tracking?

The ads that I find most useful are the ones which mimic olde newspaper/magazine ads by simply showing things relevant to their general readership. The advertisers don't need to know a thing about me, they just need to know the general demographics and interests of the publication. For example, the ads on this blog[1] are far more relevant and less invasive/annoying than anything that Google ever showed me before I s…

The problem for e.g. Facebook, Reddit and other link aggregation sites is that they have a very non-specific audience - which is fine for e.g. Coca Cola that want everyone to see their ads, but impractical for small advertisers that want to target a specific niche.

The promise of the ad networks is that they'll find the niche sites for the advertisers who then don't have to find suitable places to advertise on and buy ad space in a bunch of different places - less administration needed.

I don't think that this adds enough value to be worth eroding the privacy of all web users, but apparently it is according to the people who make the decisions. ️:shrug:

(Apparently HN strips away emoji from comments, didn't know that.)

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Not sure how profitable it would be, but if Mozilla created a privacy-focused email client, I would consider leaving the Google ecosystem.

Like Mozilla Thunderbird? Like most email clients it blocks loading external resources by default. Or am I missing something?

I meant to say a browser based client but I will look into Thunderbird a bit more.

I misunderstood the purpose of Thunderbird - it's marketed as a messaging app, which it is, but I didn't realize it did email as well.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

Yikes why would you not want companies investing in diversity? Especially if they are the interface to our online world?

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Not sure how profitable it would be, but if Mozilla created a privacy-focused email client, I would consider leaving the Google ecosystem.

If you mean to say email service, you should look into Proton Mail and Tutanota. They're both great and very privacy focused. Other than that you can check AlternativeTo for other email services: https://alternativeto.net/software/gmail/

Totally spaced on Proton Mail and never Tutanota, thanks for the recommendations...

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

If you are trying to avoid funding administration/marketing you can offer bug bounties for Firefox or Servo.

That's a good solution, I might start doing that.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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While wording could be improved, the point stands. I want my money to be used for working on Firefox (the core browser) and for that exclusively. Not something like Pocket or whatever Mozilla thinks it should bring out that nobody asked for. There is no way to ensure this, so I will not give any money at all.

> There is no way to ensure this, so I will not give any money at all. Please keep in mind that this is not a personal attack as I don't know you and I don't find it particularly constructive to engage in this kind of attacks, so please only focus on my argument: I cannot understand this way of thinking. On one hand we have the option to give Mozilla some money to use them however they see fit. This means that from t…

> I cannot understand this way of thinking.

If you ask me, it’s because most of us work very hard for our money and don’t have a lot to spare.

If we are going to make the sacrifice of donating, we want to make sure the sacrifice is worth it.

If my hard earned money is going to be used for something like the moz://@ nonsense, it’s not worth the sacrifice.

If it’s going to be used to support development of privacy features in the browser, then it is.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Depends what you’re doing. Firefox’s dev tools are definitely better at CSS debugging for example.

Indeed. I always wondered why folks praise Chrome devtools which are pretty meh at CSS.

I find the FF Dev tools to be much better but they don't have a way to inspect web sockets which I don't use but if you do.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

#139

Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share, please consider doing the following: 1. Evangelize Firefox to people you know any chance you get and show them all the reasons why its better than Chrome (focus on privacy as an important point). Show them how great browsing can be with a few key extensions (like uBlock Origin, Containers, Privacy Possum, etc.). This does not imply that Mo…

> Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share I used to be one of these people but I am no longer. I have switched my default browser from Firefox to Brave since I cannot withstand Mozillas bullshit anymore. Not only is it a complete joke that firefox put Google Analytics on their privacy pages but their actions of "wokeness" in which they fired Brendan Eich and all their diversity s…

For anyone curious, Eich didn’t fund a political campaign but rather a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. It was struck down as unconstitutional.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_...

Additionally, Eich was not fired but resigned even though the Mozilla board asked him to stay.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

Judging from the parent’s multiple posts in this thread it appears he is adjusting facts to fit his narrative.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

#140

Already lot of sites are not tested on Firefox and many explicitly so [1]. Now the web publishers that rely on ads will have less incentive to support Firefox. They might even actively promote other browsers. Similar to how IE was discouraged by websites explicitly. "This site works best on Chrome" is only what is needed now to reduce the Firefox userbase further. Note - This comment was typed on firefox. [1] https:/…

> and many explicitly so [1]. Ignoring Google's properties (because we all know by now that they don't really play fair), the only examples I see there are Bank of America and some user complaining about his D3 animation being slow. I'd hardly call that many.

This website uses user agent detection to block Firefox https://business.apple.com/
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